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    USA und Ukraine signalisieren Fortschritte bei Friedensplan nach Genfer Gesprächen

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    1. GodzillasCumRag on

      This could actually successfully get pulled off, As long as Trump can go more than 30 minutes without tweeting some idiotic inflammatory statement.

    4. Sick_by_me on

      It just means Russia is not able to capture any more Ukrainian territories, so he is just forcing Orange man to make a deal now.

    5. very_anonymous on

      It’s amazing these meetings always end with “great progress” yet here we are almost 4 years later with no end in sight.

    7. Khamvom on

      Key points of this “plan”:

      Ukraine withdraws all troops from Donetsk.

      Ukraine limits it’s military to 600,000 troops.

      Ukraine cannot seek NATO membership.

      Current battle lines in the South toward Kherson are to remain frozen.

      International recognition of de facto Russian control of Donetsk, the neighbouring Luhansk region and the southern Crimea peninsula.

      Russia allowed to reintegrate back into the international community/economy.

      Russia “expected” not to continue invasion. Unspecified security guarantees given to Ukraine.

      This is a terrible “plan” if we can even call it that.

    8. Shadowlance23 on

      Tinfoil hat time, but I wonder if Zelensky is going to call Russia’s bluff. Putin likely doesn’t want the war to end at this point given that his economy is dependent on military spending (lots of people out of work if they’re not building missiles), and that all he’s gained is a bunch of bombed out cities that will cost hundreds of billions to repair (leaving out Crimea which he already took over).

      There is no economic gain for Putin at this point, no spoils of war, just a lot of broken and mined land that won’t be productive again for decades.

      The only thing he can get from a peace plan is time to rearm.

      My theory is that Zelensky might agree to some of the terms that Russia never expected he would to put them on the back foot, then when Russia refuses the plan because they need to keep the war going, Zelensky can show without a doubt that Russia never wanted peace.

      If Russia does accept the plan, but continues to build their military, Zelensky can also point to that as Russia planning to restart the fight once it has regrouped.

      Whatever happens, he’s playing a very dangerous game and I would absolutely hate to be in his shoes.

    9. ToeForeign2736 on

      There is no chance Russia agrees to this. If they somehow do, there is no way they are not breaking their agreement 5 minutes later. 

    10. TKFT_ExTr3m3 on

      If they want peace Ukraine is going to have to give in some spots which will hurt but might be worth it in the long term if they also get some security but Trumps plan is just completely one sided. I could see Ukraine giving up the territory in Donetsk and Luhansk in exchange for Russia withdrawing from Kherson and Zaporizhzhai but the limits on military strength and who they can and can’t join alliances with is just insanity.

    11. BritishAnimator on

      If Ukraine give up Donetsk and conceed Crimea? Wasn’t that the original goal of the Russian invasion? They also have to reduce their troops by a quarter, and not attempt to join NATO in the future. This sounds like freeze and surrender. While I don’t want the war to continue, I also think that global sanctions on Russia should not be lifted for their terrorist action. Nor do I think Russia will agree to any plan unless they get 100% of what they want.

    12. RollingCamel on

      This will be an unpopular opinion, neither Europe or US will provide substantial support to change the equation unless they seek direct conflict with Russia. Ukrainians will keep on dying without a real solution to take back the land they lost.

      At some point, Ukraine will have to do like Poland and move on.

    13. Winter_Criticism_236 on

      Ukraine signalled very clearly.. Trump just fails to comprehend the value of sovereignty for millions of people now dedicated to no surrender until Russia leaves.
      I wish one Euro nation would have the balls to say fuckit and join Ukraine on the battle field. It would start a stampede of the willing.

    15. Ok_Freedom_6864 on

      Ridiculous. Ukraine will never agree to these terms. Russia is the invader. Their war is against the people. They want to exterminate the Ukrainians. Russia already has plans for 25 new prison colonies and six detention centers in occupied Ukrainian territory by 2026. Ukraine knows they will be going up in smoke if they surrender. And all we can do is twiddle our thumbs and turn the channel.

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