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    1. ForTheGloryOfAmn on

      Spain still not at 2% of GDP for its Defence budget. But there is progress at least.

    2. goldstarflag on

      *Then why was Spain the last European country to fulfill the 2% Nato agreement?*

      Because spending is not the issue. What Europe needs is integration. More fragmented spending delivers no security and reinforces the dependency on the US. It is a waste of money. In fact, it makes the situation even worse and more fragmented. Which is why Trump is pushing it. 

      [How the US kept Europe’s armies small and fragmented – on purpose](https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeanFederalists/comments/1qepvgp/how_the_us_kept_europes_armies_small_and/) 

    3. _VliegendeHollander_ on

      If all of Europe cuts defense spending to the Spanish percentage, it will surely work.

    6. vasilispp on

      Sure,we just need a federal Europe with a single finance ministry, no big deal…

    7. FantasticQuartet on

      It can start with a team of consistent defence spenders like Spain, Ireland, Austria and Luxembourg. If these countries are willing to set the example of burdening themselves with high defence spending, they can entice other EU countries to join.

    10. esmifra on

      The amount of bots or people easily manipulated by the budget spending by GDP republican narrative in this thread is insane

    11. Jedibeeftrix on

      Narrator: „Spain, which refuses to invest in its military to meet its treaty commitments to collective defence… would quite like someone else to invest in military capability on its behalf!“

      I see.

    12. Prestigious-Way9151 on

      If we’d centralize weapon purchases and buy from Europe, we would save a lot and create jobs in Europe.

    16. curialbellic on

      An EU army to defend EU interests? Yes

      An EU army to defend USA interests? No, thanks

    17. West_Application_760 on

      I think we all should be supporting each other instead of attacking any particular member. Rules should be made and if funds are used incorrectly, strong sanctions should be delivered. Right now european rules arent binding which is the mistake. Whether you agree with me or not, let’s simply try to be supportive of each other and focus on the matter we are discussing to ensure the future cooperation of the union and friendship among its states.

    18. Zestyclose-Gift73 on

      There’s been talk about forming an EU army for a while. If the EU should compete on a regional and global scale it needs a tool that will work with its diplomatic aims – after all what is an army but a diplomatic tool.

      I don’t think an EU army should replace national armies from the get go, there are too many national interests standing in the way.

      The first target for any EU armed would be:
      – Enable cooperation and communication between national militaries in terms of defending the union’s margins. Nations in the unions hinterland should provide for the defense of its outer regions, as an alternative to NATO.
      – Establish a unified procurement system for large defense projects.
      – Create a unified command that can work with the various national militaries.

      This command structure and cooperation can later grow to establish a unified military that will work with national militaries rather than replace them.

    19. wrghf on

      Why don’t these counties/leaders actually come up with some proposals for how exactly that is going to work and what it is going to look like in practice? It’s so easy to say “we need an EU army” in a vacuum.

      The very idea faces monumental challenges like:

      1. How is it going to be financed?
      2. Will there be any form of conscription considering a number of EU countries have conscription on the books?
      3. What will the working language be?
      4. Will the troops and equipment involved ultimately remain under the control of the individual member states?
      5. What are the training standards and how are they going to be agreed between all of the member states?
      6. What is going to happen to countries that have an opt-out for mutual defence like Ireland/Denmark, or countries that are too small to materially contribute otherwise like Malta, Luxembourg or Cyprus?

      And so many more questions besides.

      I disagree with the idea that we must have an EU army anyway, and it remains pretty easy to keep that opinion so long as no-one is actually proposing any clear solutions.

    21. Andreyuss on

      Senza uno stato un esercito non può esistere e non mi risulta che l’Europa sia uno stato

    22. n0taf1n4nc14l4dv1c3 on

      The Us ask us for money while is starting wars that are hurting Europe mostly, those right wing European countries are serves of the Us.
      Nobody with a QI over 60 will consider the actual US administration friend of Europeans. So yes, Europe should start producing our own weapons and split from this toxic relationship with the Us.

    23. Diltyrr on

      Half of the countries that wants an EU army wants it so they can disband their own and reduce their current defence spendings hoping the rest of the EU will pick up their slack.

    25. cyberdork on

      Will Spain send their soldier into a conflict of which the Spanish government and population does not approve?

    26. Kor_Phaeron_ on

      This is such empty rhetoric. Every couple of weeks somebody calls for an „EU army“, but nobody ever offers a basic concept. Just saying „EU army“ is not having an idea. A serious suggestion must include who should be in charge of those forces. Would it be a parliamentary army or a presidential army? Without a basic understanding about who will have the authority to say „We shoot now!“ all of this is just buzzwords for a media cycle.

      But nobody wants to talk about this, because all options would be equally unpopular. What are the obvious options?

      * The EU parliament (Like the English parliament for the UK armed forces or the German parliament for the German armed forces)
      * The EU commissioner (Like the French army and the French President or the Austrian army and the Austrian President)
      * An elected position created by the EU (Like the High Representative)

      Everyone would hate every single of those three options.

    27. battleduck84 on

      And as soon as that’s created they’ll refuse to contribute anything, just like with NATO

    28. Tiny_stickedguy on

      i really want to agree with spain since i know their intention is probably good, what i fear is a united army that is manipulated the same way americans are, at least right now if it’s an offensive operation the single countries can say no, i already got a warning in this sub for mentioning the name of the masters,

      had to edit the comment cause reddit removed my comment and is threatening me of ban lol

    29. neurointervention on

      While I agree that EU needs more autonomy in defense, Spain is among the last countries whose opinion on the matter I’d care about.

    30. Ok_Sprinkles_8968 on

      I’m always amazed how anyone could think that it could be a good idea, some form of European NATO sure, but a European army while the EU has never ceased to be completely lost regarding everything vaguely related to foreign policy is crazy to me. This shows a total lack of understanding of defense policies, „war is merely the continuation of policy by other means“, we could speak about that when we’ll at least be able to have some level of a political union.

    31. Ok_Sprinkles_8968 on

      I’m sure Poland or the Baltic states would love to have to follow France in a defensive war in New Caledonia or something

    32. roggahn on

      I agree with the notion. Unfortunately, this is not viable without a unified EU citizenship. We must have blue passports

    33. Osiryx89 on

      As much as I admire Spain’s gusto on this, Spain doesn’t even pay into NATO, lol.

      Putting Spain in the driving seat on supranational defence spending is certainly a choice.

    35. guy_from_the_lab on

      A united front of tercios, landschnekts, hussars, hussite wagons, legions and musketeers, winged hussars, hoplites, and horseback archers.

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