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    Tesco argumentiert, dass die Forderung nach gleichem Entgelt die „wirtschaftliche Realität“ außer Acht lässt

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    1. niteninja1 on

      because it does.

      equal pay should be 2 people doing the same job its simple really

    2. Deadliftdeadlife on

      This old chestnut again

      Both positions are open to everyone

      The shop floor is full of women, who knows why

      The warehouse, with its cold environment, heavy lifting and handling and potentially far more dangerous, is full of men

      The job with harsher conditions, more physical work and more dangerous, gets paid more

      That’s apparently unfair. Keeping in mind, no one is being told they can’t go from the shop floor to the warehouse

      Anyone that’s worked both (I did in my teens) understands why it’s paid differently

    3. J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A on

      > and argues that store workers, most of whom are women, are paid far less than employees in the supermarket’s distribution centres, where nearly 90 per cent of workers are men.

      They’re different jobs.

      It shouldn’t matter what percentage of people doing those jobs are men or women, they are different jobs!

      It would be like trying to claim that cleaners, who are mostly women, should be paid the same as doctors, who are mostly men, because they work at the same hospital.

      Anyone with half an ounce of sense would laugh you out of the room.

    4. circleribbey on

      There is nothing stopping women from applying to work in the warehouse if they want the better pay 🤷‍♂️

    5. GetRektByMeh on

      Who is stopping the women from working in the warehouse exactly? No one?

    6. Bubble-Master96 on

      As usual, people are ignoring gender biases exist. “Who’s stopping women from working in warehouses” probably the managers with gender biases about what’s a woman’s job and what’s a man’s. Probably the societal message that very much still exists that women can’t do physical jobs.

      People are not understanding my comment clearly. I do not think different jobs should earn the same. We should however be looking at why male dominated roles tend to earn more, and why women are not applying for these roles or being hired when they do. The gender bias conditioning starts from birth “boys are strong, girls are delicate” and that’s what’s stopping these women from working in warehouses.

      But of course if you bring anything up about gender differences and bias’ in this sub you get heavily downvoted.

    7. ImpressionPlenty6567 on

      Some people look at this country and think „We need more socialism“

    8. No_Atmosphere8146 on

      Oh so it’s ok for women to make £30k a month on OnlyFans, but when I get my knob out on the internet the only thing I get is a restraining order. Where’s my equal pay?

    9. random_user_1968 on

      So women don’t touch the cages sent from the warehouse or work in the store fridges and freezers? Because I’ve got some news for you, they do and in stores we have the threats of physical assault and abuse from the public.

      I’ve worked for Tesco for nearly 20 years and only ever had one woman say she shouldn’t do something because of her gender, it ended with her getting a written warning as she was physically capable.

    10. Anony_mouse202 on

      The problem is that the equal pay legislation is completely insane when it comes to defining equal work.

      The only definition of equal work that makes sense is the “like work” definition – i.e, a job that is very similar or the same. Binmen and binmen, cleaners and cleaners etc.

      But the equal pay legislation also has other definitions of equal work that essentially allow the courts to step in and say that two completely different jobs are equal and entitled to equal pay. Which is stupid.

      The legislation needs amending.

    11. unbelievablydull82 on

      I worked both in the warehouse and on the shop floor of supermarkets. The warehouse was far more taxing physically. The only woman was our boss, whose only contribution was to tell us her boyfriend, ( another manager), would beat us up if we didn’t do as she said, which at least gave us something to laugh about. I ended up getting sciatica after a nasty slip whilst dragging a roll cage into a walk in freezer. It still plays up 22 years later

    13. Astriania on

      Some of these claims, starting with the Birmingham council one (which is still screwing the council over today) and including the Next one and this one, are just pure bullshit. The jobs they are claiming to be „equivalent“ just aren’t, and if the women on the shop floor feel jealous of the wages of the warehouse workers, they’re free to apply to do that job instead.

      In general they don’t want to because that job is harder, more physical and in less pleasant conditions. Which is why it’s paid more.

      And like the Birmingham situation, this argument appears to hinge on „but they’re designated the same band so bonuses/differential rates are unfair“. Which is also bullshit – the grade designation is just an arbitrary classification, it has nothing to do with whether the work is actually equal.

      Unfortunately we have an awful precedent and there’s no chance a Labour government will intervene to clarify the law in this area, especially when the lower paid workers can claim „think of the women“. So Tesco will probably lose and be forced to reduce the pay of warehouse workers.

    14. regprenticer on

      This is part of the governments plan to get as many people on minimum wage as possible. Slowly
      , eventually, the vast majority of jobs will pay the same money.

    15. handyandy314 on

      These are the same politicians who say we have to pay CEOs more money to attract the correct people to stay in multi national companies, or they would walk, same should exist in other companies, it’s not about discrimination but retaining correct workers

    16. BronnOP on

      The economic reality is that they’re taking in record profits year on year and wages stagnated for nearly 20 years.

      Time to start putting money in the pocket of workers and making work… Work.

    17. HollyMurray20 on

      I’m so sick of idiots not understanding what equal pay means, it doesn’t mean the average woman in the company gets the same as the average man in the company, it means they get the same if they do the exact same job.

    18. KeithCadfael on

      This whole case feels fundamentally wrong. Equal pay law was meant to stop women being paid less for the same job, not to let lawyers and judges define how the job market should operate. Now they’re arguing Tesco can’t rely on market rates because Tesco is big enough to influence the market. That’s a wild stretch – every major employer shapes its labour market. That doesn’t mean they control it or that every pay difference is discrimination.

      Warehouse work and shop floor work aren’t the same job. They don’t recruit from the same labour pool, don’t have the same risks, skills, hours or shortages. Pretending they’re interchangeable just to force a pay rise through the courts feels like an abuse of what the law was created for. It turns a targeted anti‑discrimination rule into a blunt tool for rewriting wages across whole industries.

      It’s hard to see how anyone thinks this is a healthy direction for employment law and economic productivity.

    19. zennettac on

      When this was brought up before I don’t know why a bunch of the shop floor staff weren’t redeployed to the warehouse, just to make a point more than anything. If the jobs are considered the same then this would be perfectly legal.

    20. ravencrowed on

      Where does the phenomenon of supermarkets charging more for the same products in small city shops fit into the economic reality?

    21. Several_Zombie7330 on

      It’s pretty wild how they keep framing this as a gender issue when the real split is between a chilled warehouse shift and dealing with grumpy customers on the tills. Anyone who’s actually done both knows the pay difference comes down to the physical toll and conditions, not a conspiracy. Treating different roles with different demands as equal work just ignores basic economics.

    22. Lazy-Potatoe on

      done both jobs, would choose warehouse any time 😀 dealing with customers… bleah!

      And many mentions that women should go to warehouses as well, but there are many many women here. Only position I hope I never see a woman pick is in produce section where potatoes/carrots/ onions aka heaviest totes are picked. Even not all men can do that job. Those lads need to be paid extra.

    24. AdviceHefty4561 on

      Current wages ignore ‚economic reality‘ more so than your worrying about cunty shareholders. Get fucked

    25. Neo-Riamu on

      I worked in a place that has this same issue come up time and time again.

      The warehouse staff would get paid 50p more per hour than shop floor staff.

      Also the firm i worked for had issue keeping warehouse staff.

      Eventually the mostly female shop floor staff wanted the same pay as warehouse because of i think the Asda thing from a few years back.

      Well as we had issue with keeping warehouse staff all shop floor staff were offered to work in the warehouse for the extra pay and as you gathered mostly men took up the work and the only woman who did work are what i describe as tomboys so had the sort of personalities to cope if not be driven to prove capable.

      Well as you can image this proved successful in a way but not in the way the shop floor staff wanted.

      The company wanting to not have the same issue as Asda simply got rid of the warehouse role And made in mandatory for all staff to work the warehouse once a week.

      Eventually the store would change to a 95% male workforce because of the warehouse work.

      We lost diversity of gender in our work place.

      I believe up till a few years ago the company become extra profitable because of that change.

      Not sure how the company as a whole is doing now but now my old place does not have a warehouse anymore and the staff is mostly made up of woman again.

      Im assuming they set the warehouse location elsewhere and just deliver cages already broken down.

    26. Luggageisnojoke on

      They are different jobs. If it was the same role with the same responsibilities I’d buy it but they are completely delusional if they think shop floor work is worth the same as warehousing in bulk.

    27. T2Drink on

      The lady who answers the phone at our company earns less than me, doing a manual job,

      Definitely bigotry, nothing else going on at all. Let’s ignore the years of training, skill, and pressure of my job. Let’s ignore that there is nothing stopping her training and doing my job. But it is easier to argue about it than actually do it…

      It isn’t 1:1 but it is essentially what all these arguments boil down to. Ignore every other factors, than pay and genders of those who chose the job.

    28. Pocket_Aces1 on

      Work 12hr back breaking shifts on nights or at 2 in the morning, and see why they’re paid more.

      * You’re at a higher risk of injury – being around forklifts, lifting heavy items, heavy items falling on you, etc
      * You lift heavy stuff – easy in skill but hard on the back, arms, legs, etc.
      * Usually more skilled – operating a forklift, which is a skill needed for the job, and desirable to an employer.
      * Shift patterns are usually standard – meaning you can be doing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd shift. Night shifts are bad for your health, which is why you usually get an additional payment on top for when you’re on nights

      Nothing is stopping someone from applying to these types of job. It’s just the fact those people don’t want to do it. And honestly, I get it. It’s a shitty job, but some love it. For others, it’s just a job that gets them more money without having to sit in an office all day. And that goes to anyone. Hate it when people argue the pay of DIFFERENT JOBS about the sex of the person doing it.

      If it was the other way round, noone would bat a bloody eye.

    29. Equal_Membership_923 on

      I’ve done both. The warehouse job is punishing compared to the shop floor. I was paid less for store work after working the warehouse and thought it was fair enough! Otherwise no one would want to do the warehouse.

    30. Sea_Pomegranate8229 on

      Tesco can afford to run this for a year at a couple of stores. Everyone on equal pay. Everyone rotated through the warehouse, freezer and night shift.

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