Swissinfo hat gerade acht Grafiken zu seinen wirtschaftlichen Auswirkungen veröffentlicht
Der Artikel befasst sich mit Schlüsselfragen wie:
• Wie sich die Einwanderung verändert hat
• Welche Sektoren sind am meisten auf europäische Arbeitskräfte angewiesen?
• Qualifikationsniveau von EU/EFTA-Einwanderern
• Auswirkungen auf Löhne, Arbeitsplätze für Schweizerinnen und Schweizer, Sozialleistungen und Gesamtwachstum
Da im Juni die Initiative „Nein zu zehn Millionen“ ansteht, würde ich mich über ehrliches Feedback von Schweizern (und Langzeitaufenthaltern) freuen.
Welche persönlichen Erfahrungen haben Sie am Arbeitsplatz, in der Wohnung und im täglichen Leben gemacht? Stimmen die Grafiken für Sie mit der Realität überein oder fehlt etwas? Positiv, negativ oder gemischt?
Alle respektvollen Meinungen sind willkommen. 🇨🇭
What do you think of free movement with the EU after 25 years?
byu/Designer-Beginning16 inSwitzerland
Von Designer-Beginning16
9 Kommentare
Did you write this with AI or do you actually write like stuff are homeworks?
It is a difficult question. I work almost entirely with EU-immigrants or frontaliers.
Traffic: not much change, infrastructure like train or bike lane got better. Car Traffic has always been bad. More trains.
Competition at work: Maybe higher than before. But we are still better off than other countries in Europe. Me and my friends do not suffer with unemployment. If you have some skills, especially manual ones, there is still a high demand.
Immigration: For sure, many are immigrated. But mainly from France, Italy, Balcan, Portugal, Germany. They have good education, can read, look for job. I still largely prefer this type, as what you see in dutch, swedish, german, belgian, french cities. It is an european problem, not a swiss one.
Furrhermore, many doctors are from EU. You get appointments very fast, also specialists. Try this in other countries.
Schengen: i love it. Before there were endless lines at airports for swiss.
Housing: less offer, for sure, especially in cities. But in cities, it was never cheap.
It is always expensive, especially there where cantons lower taxes.
Crime: more stealing, less violent crimes in my opinion.
When I compare my kids life with mine (and my parents then), I don’t think it is much different honestly. I still remember endless lines when going skiing or when taking the S-Bahn in the morning. There were more swiss neighbours, but there was more shouting, kids getting screamed at by everybody due to noise, less chill. Abortion was not allowed, health insurance came end of 90ies, my parents paid CHF 1700 for a 4Piece, salaries were around 4-5000 CHF, balcan kids came to school (with war histories), etc
I think for me it was overall not the worse thing, but the quality of immigration has definitely dropped in the past 10 years. I’m sure I will be shot down for this, but I’m noticing substantially different „profiles“ of immigration that is overall not a net positive. These types of immigration are clearly different from a German doctor or a French financier….
The biggest problem of all is simply that this is a small nation with finite space and resources. We are also facing an impending problem with AI mixed unhealthily with outsourcing and a super strong CHF/EUR. I do not think that the „benefits“ it bought in the past will be translated into the future.
Of course I do not think the SVP really has our best interests at heart, but I also do not think our population soaring past 10,000,000 is also in the long term interest of the country.
Inflation, the housing crisis and the outsourcing of well-paid salaries have definitely made themselves felt.
Funnily enough, I think the EU/EFTA has contributed to the fact that the middle class in particular has come under pressure.
There has been a lot of politicisation based on the fear that too many welfare cases are coming to Switzerland, but the reality is rather that very well educated workers have come from the EU and competed with the local middle class.
Much to the delight of landlords and industrialists, who were able to demand more for their products.
Corona and the war in Ukraine have exacerbated the situation.
I think the 10 million initiative is an anger/frustration initiative that will not change the core problems such as housing as a financial investment and a healthcare system that has to generate profit at the end of the quarter.
So what next?
In essence, the SVP/FDP has no interest in changing anything. Because this issue is easy to politicise and mobilises their electorate.
The SP cannot come to terms with the fact that not all migration is good for a country and will lose moderates over time.
In the end, the low-income earners in the peripheral regions will come under increasing pressure from the middle classes who have to leave the cities because they have been financially squeezed out.
It is clear that if nothing changes, something will break at some point. Where or when can only be speculated about.
The measurements in the article include housing demand as a factor that increases gdp growth. Yes! But! Do we really want excess housing demand? Do we want low home ownership percentage? No… we don’t, but thats what we get.
I disagree with the 10mio approach, its too simple and raw and will do more harm than good, bit we need to enable a system where we become more prosperous. Increasing gdp doesn’t mean we become more prosperous as individuals. Look at the usa, they have high gdp/capita but many live bad lives.
Also: wage growth progression was shown in nominal terms… what about REAL wage growth? Was in positive? No. So many of our parents with 3 cars and motorcycles in the second garage bought for fun, the camper on the lake, the vacation home in the woods, the payed off house. It was really hard to mess up your life. Today? You think youre a rising young lord with your bonus pushing you to 130k chf per year… and yet you live like any average person in real terms from 1985.
When it comes to immigration that is subject to free movement and residence as per EU law, we are really not in any position to antagonize the EU. Great Britain may have survived the Brexit (while sustaining considerable damage), but that’s a country nearly 7.5 times our size in terms of population and the domestic market that comes with that figure, before even considering close ties with the US. We sit squat in the middle of the EU, with no other economic partner in any geographical proximity, no access to the ocean and not a whole lot of leverage (e.g. energy sector, like France).
The question whether there are downsides, and there are downsides to everything, really isn’t even up for debate. We have strained relations with the EU for a long time, for good or bad, but we have done it. No other European Non-EU country comes close to the number of bilateral accords we have with the EU. If we stop playing by the rules, the EU will make clear that after all these laboriously negotiated agreements with one of its smallest partner states, it is not open to cavalier breaches of foundational principles.
By now, I have more non-Swiss friends than I have Swiss ones. Most of which came here to work thanks to those policies.
I am a big fan.
Completely broke the country.
Can someone explain to me how the 10 million cap will work when it comes to out-marriage? Folks tend to think of labor migrants and refugees when it comes to migration but a large percentage are people that marry Swiss citizens. So will there be controls for that? Will it be harder to do family reunification?