It’s a matter for the Irish people to decide what to spend on defence.
Neutrality though is not always historically analagous to ‚defenceless‘
FirstAd1119 on
Considering the bloated and unrepresentative nature of Irish GDP, I wouldn’t tie their defense spending to it.
Or use it for anything else other than to point out the IP loopholes.
elderrion on
Look, Ireland, baby, you’re gonna have to make a decision here. Right now you’re rocking a „disarmed neutrality“, but your territorial waters contain the bottleneck of underwater cabling that connects Europe to the US. You know, the type of cabling that Russia likes to drag its anchors over.
So, which is it gonna be; either you maintain the disarmed part in your doctrine, in which case your have to allow either France or the UK to patrol, and effectively enforce power, in your waters, therefore abandoning the „neutrality“ part.
Or you start spending on, at the very least, a capable patrol fleet with anti-submarine focus, coupled with an expansion of the air force to include anti-naval and submarine helicopters and turboprop planes, therefore abandoning the „disarmed“ part.
You’re gonna have to choose.
Melodic-Ebb-7781 on
The EU should have a 2% tax that can be written of against military spending.
Decard_Pain on
Ireland has never spent money and has always required everyone else to do the fighting for them, what’s new?
-MartialMathers- on
I say we spend all of our money on a couple of submarines and go on an adventure
Adhar_Veelix on
Disarmed neutrality doesn’t work.
Armed neutrality like Switzerland does.
Bicentennial_Douche on
Must be great to be far away from hostile countries, while your only neighbour is friendly.
Demostravius4 on
The EU has a common defence clause, in case of invasion Ireland has the backing of every EU nation. In the case of anyone else getting invaded, Ireland sends best wishes.
Technically they rely on a clause to not break any rules but it still seems selfish to me.
Every-Ad-3488 on
It’s an accepted law of physics that defence spending is inversely proportional to the distance from Russia.
Edexote on
A nation that doesn’t have any means to defend itself isn’t much of a nation, is it?
jailtheorange1 on
The Irish rely on the Brits for some national security and I’m shocked that’s they’re OK with that.
AMeasuredBerserker on
Honestly, this level of defence spending is a deriliction of duty.
You might as well disband all fighting forces because there is absolutely nothing this level of spending can achieve against even a moderately armed cartel.
Too many excuses have been cut Ireland’s way with the assumption the UK will do everything or some other EU member.
Dead weight can only be dragged for so long and Ireland have more than enough money to equip a small but modern fighting force for its size.
WorldTraveler_1 on
It’s really easy to be a pacifist when you have no real threats.
Bambivalently on
„Denmark wants to know your location.“
WeaknessInformal on
No atual contexto, talvez seja muito mais prudente investir em bunkers do que em armas.
PalmovyyKozak on
Wait till trump confuses them with Greenland 🙂
Nearby_Potato4001 on
I like languishing, nothing better than a good languish.
Steimertaler on
Me, me, me. Ireland: check up the word „solidarity“, in a dictionary. If you find any…
You can only take, if you give. If you take without giving, you end up in a dicktraitorship. Proven case: Hungary
And it’s not all only about money – it’s also about democratic understanding. Big time.
Moss_Addiction on
it isn’t surprising, Ireland’s GDP is incredibly distorted, so anything that uses it as a metric will be too
ironedie on
At this point a bunch of vikings from Norway could rob seaside monasteries and towns using nothing more then longships and swords.
Zealousideal-Cod-924 on
Here we go again with the post about Ireland’s lack of defence spending and/or neutrality. It used to be weekly but now seems to be every other day.
I can only conclude this is a bot campaign, and it’s being orchestrated by those with the most to gain.
Yeah. Senior officers in the Irish Defence Forces are up to shenanigans here. Cheeky fuckers.
3_Stokesy on
It’s fine, we Brits enjoy having a protectorate, reminds us of the good old days.
If your Irish and this offends you, stop acting like one.
Jigsawsupport on
Its petty but as a Brit its one of the reasons Irish politicians annoy me.
A lot of them quite cheerfully sing about the evils of the British, but at the same time they are comfortable enough to completely demilitarize to the point when the Russians come knocking, they need us or the the Americans to intervene.
Just how many nations are lucky enough in their neighbours, that they can barely have an army, and not have to worry?
purpleduckduckgoose on
Is a handful of frigates, some Gripen or F-16 class fighters for air patrol and a radar such a burden for the Irish?
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It’s a matter for the Irish people to decide what to spend on defence.
Neutrality though is not always historically analagous to ‚defenceless‘
Considering the bloated and unrepresentative nature of Irish GDP, I wouldn’t tie their defense spending to it.
Or use it for anything else other than to point out the IP loopholes.
Look, Ireland, baby, you’re gonna have to make a decision here. Right now you’re rocking a „disarmed neutrality“, but your territorial waters contain the bottleneck of underwater cabling that connects Europe to the US. You know, the type of cabling that Russia likes to drag its anchors over.
So, which is it gonna be; either you maintain the disarmed part in your doctrine, in which case your have to allow either France or the UK to patrol, and effectively enforce power, in your waters, therefore abandoning the „neutrality“ part.
Or you start spending on, at the very least, a capable patrol fleet with anti-submarine focus, coupled with an expansion of the air force to include anti-naval and submarine helicopters and turboprop planes, therefore abandoning the „disarmed“ part.
You’re gonna have to choose.
The EU should have a 2% tax that can be written of against military spending.
Ireland has never spent money and has always required everyone else to do the fighting for them, what’s new?
I say we spend all of our money on a couple of submarines and go on an adventure
Disarmed neutrality doesn’t work.
Armed neutrality like Switzerland does.
Must be great to be far away from hostile countries, while your only neighbour is friendly.
The EU has a common defence clause, in case of invasion Ireland has the backing of every EU nation. In the case of anyone else getting invaded, Ireland sends best wishes.
Technically they rely on a clause to not break any rules but it still seems selfish to me.
It’s an accepted law of physics that defence spending is inversely proportional to the distance from Russia.
A nation that doesn’t have any means to defend itself isn’t much of a nation, is it?
The Irish rely on the Brits for some national security and I’m shocked that’s they’re OK with that.
Honestly, this level of defence spending is a deriliction of duty.
You might as well disband all fighting forces because there is absolutely nothing this level of spending can achieve against even a moderately armed cartel.
Too many excuses have been cut Ireland’s way with the assumption the UK will do everything or some other EU member.
Dead weight can only be dragged for so long and Ireland have more than enough money to equip a small but modern fighting force for its size.
It’s really easy to be a pacifist when you have no real threats.
„Denmark wants to know your location.“
No atual contexto, talvez seja muito mais prudente investir em bunkers do que em armas.
Wait till trump confuses them with Greenland 🙂
I like languishing, nothing better than a good languish.
Me, me, me. Ireland: check up the word „solidarity“, in a dictionary. If you find any…
You can only take, if you give. If you take without giving, you end up in a dicktraitorship. Proven case: Hungary
And it’s not all only about money – it’s also about democratic understanding. Big time.
it isn’t surprising, Ireland’s GDP is incredibly distorted, so anything that uses it as a metric will be too
At this point a bunch of vikings from Norway could rob seaside monasteries and towns using nothing more then longships and swords.
Here we go again with the post about Ireland’s lack of defence spending and/or neutrality. It used to be weekly but now seems to be every other day.
I can only conclude this is a bot campaign, and it’s being orchestrated by those with the most to gain.
Yeah. Senior officers in the Irish Defence Forces are up to shenanigans here. Cheeky fuckers.
It’s fine, we Brits enjoy having a protectorate, reminds us of the good old days.
If your Irish and this offends you, stop acting like one.
Its petty but as a Brit its one of the reasons Irish politicians annoy me.
A lot of them quite cheerfully sing about the evils of the British, but at the same time they are comfortable enough to completely demilitarize to the point when the Russians come knocking, they need us or the the Americans to intervene.
Just how many nations are lucky enough in their neighbours, that they can barely have an army, and not have to worry?
Is a handful of frigates, some Gripen or F-16 class fighters for air patrol and a radar such a burden for the Irish?