Russia is desperate for a peace deal that grabs any Ukrainian territory so they can sell it as a victory to the Russian people.
Fortunately, Ukraine understands that bullies shouldn’t be rewarded. At one point the USA may have understood that too, but obviously that’s no longer the case.
Rock-Ski-Golf-Repeat on
So the US is just negotiating for Russia, now?
dnight22 on
Witkoff, kushner and the whole us admin are russian assets
bushcamper_aiis on
While the war seems to be going in Ukraine’s favor now, part of me is concerned this is like Athens turning down peace with Sparta because they want more.
Zelensky could have accepted peace a few years ago and be in possession of more land than they are today.
PolloConTeriyaki on
They fucking should.
macross1984 on
Any proposal coming out from US under Trump will be for the benefit of his master, Putin anyway.
KiwiDanelaw on
„Russia continues to demand that Ukrainian forces withdraw from the region as a precondition for any agreement — a demand that Kyiv has repeatedly rejected.“
Ah yes. Withdraw so we can move in and justify it by saying Ukraine broke the agreement first. Totally don’t see why Ukraine would take issue with that…. /s
ihavenoidea12345678 on
Ukraine just reclaimed 200 sq km of stolen territory.
They can make progress on the front lines, and they can make their own decisions.
Standard_Response_43 on
Who is the baddie?
I thought it was clear cut?
green_flash on
If anyone wants to know what the proposal was: The US proposed for both sides to withdraw some tens of km from the current frontline to form a demilitarized zone that would then be governed by some sort of joint civilian administration. That would fulfill Putin’s demand for Ukraine to withdraw from the part of Donbas it still holds.
Abject_Breadfruit148 on
US(pedophile trump): Give Russia all your eastern lands whether Russia has soldiers on it or 100 miles away from it.
Ukraine: No
wgszpieg on
It’s difficult to imagine how this war will actually end. Really, a frozen conflict akin to Korea seems to be the most likely outcome.
The only real alternatives are either Russia withdrawing, or Ukraine voting in a national referendum to accept a peace deal that concedes more territory.
The latter however, is a ceasefire for 5 years at most. Putin will not suffer a russian-speaking nation to sucesfully become a functioning democracy
BiggussDickkuss on
he rejects every proposal but offers nothing viable in return. Geneva collapsed on day two. his own party’s deputy admits current mobilization capacity runs out within a year and a half. two thirds of the population wants a negotiated settlement according to Gallup. at some point „dignity“ stops being a policy and becomes a slogan that other people’s bodies are thrown at
Underhive_Art on
I hope Ukraine reclaims everything and sets up a demilitarised zone on russias side of the border
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Russia is desperate for a peace deal that grabs any Ukrainian territory so they can sell it as a victory to the Russian people.
Fortunately, Ukraine understands that bullies shouldn’t be rewarded. At one point the USA may have understood that too, but obviously that’s no longer the case.
So the US is just negotiating for Russia, now?
Witkoff, kushner and the whole us admin are russian assets
While the war seems to be going in Ukraine’s favor now, part of me is concerned this is like Athens turning down peace with Sparta because they want more.
Zelensky could have accepted peace a few years ago and be in possession of more land than they are today.
They fucking should.
Any proposal coming out from US under Trump will be for the benefit of his master, Putin anyway.
„Russia continues to demand that Ukrainian forces withdraw from the region as a precondition for any agreement — a demand that Kyiv has repeatedly rejected.“
Ah yes. Withdraw so we can move in and justify it by saying Ukraine broke the agreement first. Totally don’t see why Ukraine would take issue with that…. /s
Ukraine just reclaimed 200 sq km of stolen territory.
They can make progress on the front lines, and they can make their own decisions.
Who is the baddie?
I thought it was clear cut?
If anyone wants to know what the proposal was: The US proposed for both sides to withdraw some tens of km from the current frontline to form a demilitarized zone that would then be governed by some sort of joint civilian administration. That would fulfill Putin’s demand for Ukraine to withdraw from the part of Donbas it still holds.
US(pedophile trump): Give Russia all your eastern lands whether Russia has soldiers on it or 100 miles away from it.
Ukraine: No
It’s difficult to imagine how this war will actually end. Really, a frozen conflict akin to Korea seems to be the most likely outcome.
The only real alternatives are either Russia withdrawing, or Ukraine voting in a national referendum to accept a peace deal that concedes more territory.
The latter however, is a ceasefire for 5 years at most. Putin will not suffer a russian-speaking nation to sucesfully become a functioning democracy
he rejects every proposal but offers nothing viable in return. Geneva collapsed on day two. his own party’s deputy admits current mobilization capacity runs out within a year and a half. two thirds of the population wants a negotiated settlement according to Gallup. at some point „dignity“ stops being a policy and becomes a slogan that other people’s bodies are thrown at
I hope Ukraine reclaims everything and sets up a demilitarised zone on russias side of the border