Woodrow Wilson firmly held that no secret treaties would be respected after the War, and this included London 1915, which among the things shown in this map, also sought to partition neutral country Albania between Italy, Serbia (Yugoslavia hadn’t yet formed) and Greece.
RomanItalianEuropean on
Most of it did become Italian. The ‚mutilated victory‘ is largely a myth. Not cool the agreements were not fully „respected“ at the Peace Conference (problem is that the US was not a signatory), but its significance was/is blown out of proportions by some.
MIMADANMEI on
And they still wanted more and more (rapall pact)
BrokenDownMiata on
The issue is: Italy was godawful at fighting in WW1
TheRealLiviux on
Nessuna traccia del Molise…
Hackeringerinho on
Istro romanians would love this.
GenLodA on
I’m Italian and support historical irredentism to an extent but the Dalmatian exclaves always looked so forced and not viable to me… Probs an althistory with a kingdom of Dalmatia/republic of Ragusa in union with the kingdom of Italy would’ve worked better both for Italy and Dalmatia
Environmental-Cold24 on
So you would have a bit of Croatia
Fantastic_Moment2069 on
If Italians manage to conquer it in war, they would got it. But they didn’t. AU capitulated without italian soldiers occupying anything. They lost everything. So they got Istria and city of Zadar on table but not everything. Then they started to persecute Croats there even before Fascists took power. My grandfather’s brother was killed in Pazin in Istria by italian police for playing song on harmonica „Croatia has not yet fallen“ even before fascists took power. Then my grandfather who was in school got his name forcibly changed to italian name, and italian teacher told him and other kids to attack parents if they speak croatian language at home.
krametthesecond on
if the Italians had performed competently it would have been respected, but there was no point rewarding them when they could barely hold their own against Austria, itself also incompetent though not to the same degree.
Fred_Neecheh on
Fun fact, this is also sometimes brought up in Serbia, as the same treaty would have promised a ton of territory (eg all of Bosnia, Ragusa/Dubrovnik) to Serbia. But Serbia went on to insist on a Yugoslavia (includimg Slovenia and eg core Croatia/Zagreb). Allies eventually relented when they realized there was zero chance of a separate peace with Austria-Hungary and that A-H itself is becoming unviable (Czechoslovak independence movement gaining strength).
Borders between Italy and Yugoslavia were not sorted untio the end of the war, and that played a large part in the rise of fascism…
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Woodrow Wilson firmly held that no secret treaties would be respected after the War, and this included London 1915, which among the things shown in this map, also sought to partition neutral country Albania between Italy, Serbia (Yugoslavia hadn’t yet formed) and Greece.
Most of it did become Italian. The ‚mutilated victory‘ is largely a myth. Not cool the agreements were not fully „respected“ at the Peace Conference (problem is that the US was not a signatory), but its significance was/is blown out of proportions by some.
And they still wanted more and more (rapall pact)
The issue is: Italy was godawful at fighting in WW1
Nessuna traccia del Molise…
Istro romanians would love this.
I’m Italian and support historical irredentism to an extent but the Dalmatian exclaves always looked so forced and not viable to me… Probs an althistory with a kingdom of Dalmatia/republic of Ragusa in union with the kingdom of Italy would’ve worked better both for Italy and Dalmatia
So you would have a bit of Croatia
If Italians manage to conquer it in war, they would got it. But they didn’t. AU capitulated without italian soldiers occupying anything. They lost everything. So they got Istria and city of Zadar on table but not everything. Then they started to persecute Croats there even before Fascists took power. My grandfather’s brother was killed in Pazin in Istria by italian police for playing song on harmonica „Croatia has not yet fallen“ even before fascists took power. Then my grandfather who was in school got his name forcibly changed to italian name, and italian teacher told him and other kids to attack parents if they speak croatian language at home.
if the Italians had performed competently it would have been respected, but there was no point rewarding them when they could barely hold their own against Austria, itself also incompetent though not to the same degree.
Fun fact, this is also sometimes brought up in Serbia, as the same treaty would have promised a ton of territory (eg all of Bosnia, Ragusa/Dubrovnik) to Serbia. But Serbia went on to insist on a Yugoslavia (includimg Slovenia and eg core Croatia/Zagreb). Allies eventually relented when they realized there was zero chance of a separate peace with Austria-Hungary and that A-H itself is becoming unviable (Czechoslovak independence movement gaining strength).
Borders between Italy and Yugoslavia were not sorted untio the end of the war, and that played a large part in the rise of fascism…