„A Black Mississippi child is two and a half times as likely to be proficient in reading by fourth grade as a Black California child.“
„…states with large increases in school test scores enjoyed rising incomes and drops in teen motherhood, incarceration and arrest rates…“
Alone_Peace371 on
Another day in America, another day wasted fighting over who can pay the hardest tribute to its least productive, most costly demographic
swanfirefly on
I thought NCLB was a republican thing, since it was GWB’s big education reform?
But overall, it’s not „holding kids back“ that has lead to Mississippi’s sharp increase in literacy rates, though it may be helping. They’ve also been following….scientifically proven methods like phonics-based learning and focusing on teaching literacy in the first three years of education. The third-grade „gate“ was only part of their methodology.
Overall „just hold kids back“ without a target educational threshold (key word: without, Mississippi HAS a target) did historically lead to worse outcomes, hence Bush’s initial „no child left behind“ plan – something that was still in place nationwide until *after* Mississippi started their literacy improvement plan. At the time they implemented the plan, they were 49th in the nation for literacy.
Now of course, you COULD use words like „PANDERING“ and post a twitter screenshot of a person trying very very hard to make it a left vs right issue, but holding children back is only a small small piece of the overall improvement, as the rest of their plan and goals (see: using evidence-based teaching methods and phonics-first language learning in addition to focusing ONLY on learning literacy in the first few years) has actually done a lot more than holding students back.
Additionally, if you look at the states with third grade benchmark laws (like Mississippi) …. California, one of the states the tweet is comparing Mississippi to, has the same exact law where if a child is still illiterate at the end of third grade, they are held back. Now, how could that possibly be if California is one of the evil liberal states that just passes every child who has a pulse, like the tweet you screenshot is implying?
Maybe, just maybe, „just hold dumb kids back“ isn’t the only part of the Mississippi solution that’s driving them forward? MAYBE it’s the phonics based teaching that follows actual educational science?
How come I’ve never used math beyond addition, subtraction, multiplication and division yet you have to learn Algebra and all other kinds of bullshit that you’ll never use in real life to pass school?
Belter_LV426 on
Mississippi is 49th in education. Probably because of woke. lol
What is woke ideology in the context of African Americans in education?
Guenhwyvyr on
How about not r@ping them…is that good for them? If so, EPSTE!N FILES B!TCH. WOKE DON’T R@PE KIDS, but those f><kers do.
fatbootycelinedion on
Omfg. You don’t live in Ohio and you don’t know wtf our politicians are smoking. They smoke peen. A little one that looks like the super Mario Mushroom.
dhv503 on
lol politicizing the stupidity of children
We are so cooked
I know it’s by design but
Damn
dhv503 on
a reminder “woke ideology” was always about being critical of any authority figure
Not this weirdo shit they tried to rebrand it as
I_Reading_I on
Not a conspiracy. Also a weird cherry picked argument bringing in race and a sketchy tie to “woke ideology” while ignoring every other factor except keeping kids from graduating.
AngelofVerdun on
These people seriously have no idea what woke means.
Terrible_Impress8169 on
Ive taught in the south, as well as on the west coast. Mississippi has seen gains because they finally started using systematic phonics instruction. Which is also taught in school’s I’ve worked at in the West, too. A lot of these strategies and the research was actually adopted from institutes out of New York. What really separates Mississippi, from east coast and west coast is the number of english language learners. California and New york schools are a lot more diverse than Mississippi.
hijirah on
Does anyone ever consider that there could be widespread cheating on these state tests? Hypothetically, of course.
HistorianMedical704 on
In my school district, students can only repeat a grade for a maximum of two years. I always think it’s more of a cultural convention thing to not hold them back, because it would result in super seniors who start to bully younger kids; and since kids experience greater growth spurt in K1-K5, you’d expect to see see 5-feet-tall 3rd grader beating up an younger 3rd grader. Some states also have a large transient population (agricultural workers and their kids, for example), so even though the kid(s) missed one third of the school year because they was moving constantly, the school still has to enroll them.
Regardless, I think the reason they started reading better is because they revived phonics based reading curriculum like UFLI instead of wholistic reading. Almost every districts in Florida are using UFLI now.
South-Rabbit-4064 on
It’s a little bit of BS though. It’s selection bias, of course literacy is better when it’s measured in 4th grade with the NAEP when you hold back all the kids that can’t read. Mississippi rose in national rankings, its raw scores actually dipped slightly in recent years (e.g., from an average of 219 in 2019 to 217 in 2022). The state’s rank improved largely because other states‘ scores fell even faster during the same period.
Mississippi is still in the bottom as far as 8th grade literacy goes. So I think this guys counting chickens before the hatch.
There’s some good and some bad with it, one things for sure though is we will make it political and retain the bad the best we can, just like this guys doing interjected „woke“ into it. Kind of makes everything else he said more stupid.
Sujnirah on
Has the term “woke” been warped so far from its original meaning that it’s now synonymous with what I’m assuming is being implied in the post as progressive or a leftists?
oldmanpotter on
I worry a lot about our children today. Education is failing them at every level, K-12 and College-PhD. Kids can’t read, do math, are being taught what to think instead of how to think.
If our kids are failures, we’re toast.
LameAfro on
Wtf is with White Conservatives obsession with us. Leave us alone
flatearthconspiracy on
Well, destigmatize being held back and be good about 20 year old high school students
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Link to the OP https://x.com/JoshWilliamsOH/status/2021283137431437726
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https://x.com/sarthakgh/status/2020964984906449357
„A Black Mississippi child is two and a half times as likely to be proficient in reading by fourth grade as a Black California child.“
„…states with large increases in school test scores enjoyed rising incomes and drops in teen motherhood, incarceration and arrest rates…“
Another day in America, another day wasted fighting over who can pay the hardest tribute to its least productive, most costly demographic
I thought NCLB was a republican thing, since it was GWB’s big education reform?
But overall, it’s not „holding kids back“ that has lead to Mississippi’s sharp increase in literacy rates, though it may be helping. They’ve also been following….scientifically proven methods like phonics-based learning and focusing on teaching literacy in the first three years of education. The third-grade „gate“ was only part of their methodology.
Overall „just hold kids back“ without a target educational threshold (key word: without, Mississippi HAS a target) did historically lead to worse outcomes, hence Bush’s initial „no child left behind“ plan – something that was still in place nationwide until *after* Mississippi started their literacy improvement plan. At the time they implemented the plan, they were 49th in the nation for literacy.
Now of course, you COULD use words like „PANDERING“ and post a twitter screenshot of a person trying very very hard to make it a left vs right issue, but holding children back is only a small small piece of the overall improvement, as the rest of their plan and goals (see: using evidence-based teaching methods and phonics-first language learning in addition to focusing ONLY on learning literacy in the first few years) has actually done a lot more than holding students back.
Additionally, if you look at the states with third grade benchmark laws (like Mississippi) …. California, one of the states the tweet is comparing Mississippi to, has the same exact law where if a child is still illiterate at the end of third grade, they are held back. Now, how could that possibly be if California is one of the evil liberal states that just passes every child who has a pulse, like the tweet you screenshot is implying?
Maybe, just maybe, „just hold dumb kids back“ isn’t the only part of the Mississippi solution that’s driving them forward? MAYBE it’s the phonics based teaching that follows actual educational science?
That’s not „woke ideology“.
Which president signed No Child Left Behind?
LMAO this belongs in the leopards ate my face:
Relying on [federally supported research](https://ies.ed.gov/use-work/regional-educational-laboratories-rel/southeast) from the [Institute of Education Science](https://theconversation.com/helping-teachers-learn-what-works-in-the-classroom-and-what-doesnt-will-get-a-lot-harder-without-the-department-of-educations-institute-of-education-sciences-247675), the state invested in [phonics, fluency, vocabulary and reading comprehension](https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED613758). The law provided K-3 teachers with training and support to help students master reading by the end of third grade.
Guess what Trump shutdown?
How come I’ve never used math beyond addition, subtraction, multiplication and division yet you have to learn Algebra and all other kinds of bullshit that you’ll never use in real life to pass school?
Mississippi is 49th in education. Probably because of woke. lol
Yeah let’s all look to Mississippi for education help. They did manage to have better test scores than [9 whole states!](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education/prek-12/naep-reading-scores) but MazdaProphet would never cherry pick so I’m sure he has an explanation of how this isn’t just dumb propaganda?
Now do Oklahoma
What is woke ideology in the context of African Americans in education?
How about not r@ping them…is that good for them? If so, EPSTE!N FILES B!TCH. WOKE DON’T R@PE KIDS, but those f><kers do.
Omfg. You don’t live in Ohio and you don’t know wtf our politicians are smoking. They smoke peen. A little one that looks like the super Mario Mushroom.
lol politicizing the stupidity of children
We are so cooked
I know it’s by design but
Damn
a reminder “woke ideology” was always about being critical of any authority figure
Not this weirdo shit they tried to rebrand it as
Not a conspiracy. Also a weird cherry picked argument bringing in race and a sketchy tie to “woke ideology” while ignoring every other factor except keeping kids from graduating.
These people seriously have no idea what woke means.
Ive taught in the south, as well as on the west coast. Mississippi has seen gains because they finally started using systematic phonics instruction. Which is also taught in school’s I’ve worked at in the West, too. A lot of these strategies and the research was actually adopted from institutes out of New York. What really separates Mississippi, from east coast and west coast is the number of english language learners. California and New york schools are a lot more diverse than Mississippi.
Does anyone ever consider that there could be widespread cheating on these state tests? Hypothetically, of course.
In my school district, students can only repeat a grade for a maximum of two years. I always think it’s more of a cultural convention thing to not hold them back, because it would result in super seniors who start to bully younger kids; and since kids experience greater growth spurt in K1-K5, you’d expect to see see 5-feet-tall 3rd grader beating up an younger 3rd grader. Some states also have a large transient population (agricultural workers and their kids, for example), so even though the kid(s) missed one third of the school year because they was moving constantly, the school still has to enroll them.
Regardless, I think the reason they started reading better is because they revived phonics based reading curriculum like UFLI instead of wholistic reading. Almost every districts in Florida are using UFLI now.
It’s a little bit of BS though. It’s selection bias, of course literacy is better when it’s measured in 4th grade with the NAEP when you hold back all the kids that can’t read. Mississippi rose in national rankings, its raw scores actually dipped slightly in recent years (e.g., from an average of 219 in 2019 to 217 in 2022). The state’s rank improved largely because other states‘ scores fell even faster during the same period.
Mississippi is still in the bottom as far as 8th grade literacy goes. So I think this guys counting chickens before the hatch.
There’s some good and some bad with it, one things for sure though is we will make it political and retain the bad the best we can, just like this guys doing interjected „woke“ into it. Kind of makes everything else he said more stupid.
Has the term “woke” been warped so far from its original meaning that it’s now synonymous with what I’m assuming is being implied in the post as progressive or a leftists?
I worry a lot about our children today. Education is failing them at every level, K-12 and College-PhD. Kids can’t read, do math, are being taught what to think instead of how to think.
If our kids are failures, we’re toast.
Wtf is with White Conservatives obsession with us. Leave us alone
Well, destigmatize being held back and be good about 20 year old high school students