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    Großbritannien steht kurz davor, seine Dominanz im Atlantik an Russland zu verlieren – Marinechef

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    5. Pigeon_Breeze on

      Strikes me as pretty laughable to suggest that we (the UK) were ever dominant in the Atlantic in modern times.

      In any case, it’s hard to look at the bulk of military spending options without considering how much more efficient it is to just hand it to Ukraine so they can just blow up Russian military and economic assets directly.

      There’s a balance to be had and we shouldn’t be defenceless, but this is a rare time where seeking dominance outside British and Irish waters isn’t the best use of our time or money. We should be hitting them where they’re already bleeding.

    6. yubnubster on

      I wasn’t aware we had dominance of the Atlantic.. At least not without the rest of Europe and north America.

    7. zobby3 on

      We gave this up decades ago. We have more admirals than ships these days. Ridiculous state of affairs.

    11. robotnique on

      At least the UK has aircraft carriers that can leave the dock.

      Gotta be careful about hurting the Kuznetsov’s feelings. Harsh words might sink it.

    14. JustOneTwoThree4 on

      So give Ukraine and their Sea Babies a base there? The Black Sea Fleet will soon have more involuntary submarines than surface ships.

    15. Lord_Peura on

      Just as planned, Kremlin’s claws have sank deep in the UK political system for decades.

    16. IrideAscooter on

      The Australian government wants AUKUS but it will tie us to U.S. foreign policy in interesting times.

    17. ash_ninetyone on

      Tbf before the 60s, we had an empire, which aside from bring wealth to us, also meant we needed a large navy for defence of it.

      The realities of the world changed, including how much was available for defence, and how much was available to replace aging ships.

      Not only that, but we had industrial capacity to do so back then that deindustrialisation has stripped us of now.

      The past 30 years showed a role for a smaller navy because we never saw any potential conflicts arising that would become a threat to us. That has changed. Our ships are remarkably advanced… but that also means they’re expensive to build, maintain and upgrade to keep at the forefront.

      Type 45 destroyers cost £1bn each. In 2000 when they were being planned, we were going to get 12 of them. We’ve got 6 instead. We’re aiming for 8 Type 83 destroyers as a successor, but they won’t be in service until 2030.

      The Type 26 Frigate isn’t cheap either since it’s purposes are more advanced. We have 8 planned. The Type 31 Frigate is more general purpose and cheaper but we have 5 planned. All at once. It’s expensive.

      Our strategy is towards missile destroyers, frigates and a couple air craft carriers, rather than battleships and cruisers.

      Especially when the narrative is that we’re raising taxes or cutting other budgets. Doing that to spend more on warships isn’t publicly popular.

    18. FarawayFairways on

      That’s what happens if we don’t build anything new

      Don’t think the Tories (after 14 years of government) managed to order a single warship? Can’t think of one? I can recall they cancelled type 45 destroyers mind you

      Everything that was launched or still being built began life under the previous Labour government

    19. New-Inspector-3107 on

      Just wait until the russians start swearing on the internet, they’ll get a true taste of british force.

      Lol, seriously what a fucking joke.

    20. Slayers_Picks on

      I mean, blame that on social programs, you get rid of social programs and the military will grow, its simple.

    21. WhatAmIATailor on

      Russia? The nation barely holding onto one port with year round access to the Atlantic?

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