Selenskyj sagt, die Ukraine stehe vor einer „sehr schwierigen Wahl“ hinsichtlich der Würde oder des Schlüsselpartners gegenüber dem US-Russland-Plan
https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/21/ukraine-facing-very-difficult-choice-of-dignity-or-key-partner-over-us-russia-plan-zelensk
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How can a sane person with a memory believe Russia will honour a deal in a long term
How can America attack Venezuela for their own ‘protection’ but Ukraine should be fine with Russia invading them…
The 28 point deal is BS. Russian gains land a neighbor who has a reduced military and cannot join NATO the only true deference against Russia.
Bad deal do not accept and keep bringing the pain Ukraine
Absolutely appears to be pretext to cut or exit from military support of Ukraine by the US.
Timing has a lot to do with it as well. Ukraine may be losing significantly more for commitments under Trump than under future US presidents.
NATO Ex-US needs to bridge the gap until someone with brains is in the oval office, not these out of touch geriatric morons the US loves so badly.
Zelenskyy will let the US go.
So that’s how much America’s word is worth ~3 years, not even a full term ( direct aid stopped in 2025, the EU has been footing the bill for Ukraine ).
Never give up your weapons in exchange for pieces of paper.
So let’s say Ukraine accepts the proposal, meets all the conditions, and then Russia invades them again a few years down the road, as we all know they will. What will these people say then? Did Ukraine somehow bring it on themselves again? Should Ukraine accept the next deal that slices away more of their territory?
The only true solution should’ve been implemented years ago. Admit Ukraine into NATO.
The only real solution is Ukraine added into NATO.
Fuck putin and trump. We stand with Ukraine. Donate at u24.gov.ua
The US stopped being a key partner the day by trust chump took office, he cannot be trusted even on a day to day basis he changes his mind or can’t remember what he said.
Any intelligence shared with the US from any other country goes straight to pootin anyway. There cant be any trust while chump is there.
Ukraine has more self importance than giving in now. The EU must do more in whatever way they can to help Ukraine.
Havn’t they had to do this like 4-5 times already this year?
As if the Nazi Nation gets this big of a say.
The Americans have become such a disappointment to all of their allies.
I still feel like the timing of this all is interesting/aligned with the Epstein files impending release
There is talk about the security guarantees that Ukraine receives. Just as there is talk that these guarantees will not be fulfilled if Ukraine attacks Russia.
„If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or Saint Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.“
What is stopping the Russians from waiting for Ukraine to reduce its army, give up its long-range missiles, stage a missile attack on Moscow, and start a new invasion, after they themselves have rebuilt their army and equipment?
America has betrayed itself and the rest of the world. We won’t be forgetting it anytime soon.
Just remember Budapest memorandum from 1994!
Signed by United States, United Kingdom and the Russian Federation, Under the agreement the Russian Federation provided security assurances to Ukraine in the form of promising neither to attack nor to threaten to attack them.
And today we have over milion deaths…
It’s not a difficult choice, it’s a betrayal.
Obviously Ukraine is giving up on the „ally“ that has been cutting aid anyways rather than surrendering for a terrible deal that would be terrible even if Russia stuck to the terms… and Russia is definitely not following the agreement if Ukraine actually does because the terms include Ukraine giving up most of their military power.
Not really difficult choice the US shows it can’t be trusted.
I don’t think this is much of a decision at all. Fighting with US assistance will become much more difficult and the burden would have to shift to Europe. But that’s better than a capitulation, and handicapping yourself while Russia takes a breather to re-arm.
Europe, here’s your golden opportunity to step up
It is a poison pill. It is not a ‚peace deal‘, it is a terms of surrender that will only embolden Russia to attack after regrouping.
Shouldn’t it be the invading country/bad actor that is giving up weapons and capabilities in any peace deal? The idea of Ukraine giving up any of that is absurd.
Is it a difficult choice? On the one hand you can choose a temporary peace, knowing that your enemy will use the time to rebuild his army and that they will then invade you once more and then you will lose badly. On the other hand you lose an ally, but you keep your dignity and liberty.
A 10 year guarantee by NATO just means that they’ll either get invaded after 10 years, or Russia will just invade earlier and NATO will do jack shit because Russia has nukes and we all know it. That security guarantee isn’t worth the paper it would be written on.
This should be an easy choice. Fuck Russia and fuck this “deal”. It would literally mean just handing Putin everything he wants.
The americans siding with the abuser is on brand. Fuck all Nazi nations.
Asking them to accept Russian conquest of Ukrainian land is a bitter pill.
Asking them to do so with only a tentative 10-year pledge of security protections, AND a hard cap on their own ability to fortify in the meantime, is psychotic.
11 years from now when Russia invades again, all the idiots on the right in the US will be going, „Why do we have to help them? They should be able to defend themselves. They had 10 years to prepare.“
That sounds a lot like the same deal Ukraine got when they gave up their nuclear weapons. Only now they lose a huge chunk of land.
No. Just no.
Bad deal. Don’t take it
How do you ever trust the US as a defence partner again if they do this type of shit?
I think he meant sovereignty.
Ukraine needs nukes, expect them to have them in record time, because apparently that’s all that matters.
American business won’t let America drop its support. Not when it makes so much money off the war. It’s a bluff.
The US is not anyone’s ally at heart right now. Chose dignity and wait until the Americans to take their country back from the Republican party. I can almost guarantee the next administration will be pro Ukraine.
If the peace plan is to be believed, that’s not a peace plan. That’s surrender.
Far better for Ukraine to see this through than agree to this betrayal.
Please Europe, please. Step the fuck up. Send all we got. If we don’t do it now, we will have to do it later. Russia has to be dismantled like nazi germany.
Point 20c: All Nazi ideology or activity should be renounced and forbidden.
That sounds like something Antifa would say. Sure this is a Trump plan?
They lost that partner the moment the us election results came in. What do you mean?
If they give in Ukraine will have neither.
Why is there a choice ? The choice is fuck trump and usa and keep fighting.