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    1. GlobalFriendship5855 on

      The MIG 31s in Estonia also had air to ground armaments (pls correct me if I’m wrong) so they presented a clear threat. I don’t know how you cannot shoot at least 1 of them down, which would’ve probably been enough. Otherwise this will just happen over and over again.

      Also, unlike the incident in Turkey, those were 3 jets and not just 1, so the likelihood that is was just pilot error or a faulty navigation system ( which to be fair definitely could happen) is near 0.

      Edit: spelling

    2. MyPigWhistles on

      And 6 months later, Erdogan begged Putin for forgiveness, had the pilots arrested, called them traitors and framed them as part fo the Gülen movement. After Russia started to lift the sanctions against Turkey, Erdogan announced to buy Russian AA systems instead of Amercian ones.

    3. You forgot the rest of the story, especially how Erdoğan reached out to Putin, framed the pilots for this act, etc.

      Turkish propaganda is a tad too strong on this sub.

    4. coprosperityglobal on

      EU doesn’t need to show its defence capability or weakness point now. It is just what Russia would like to know

    5. Kevinosaurus1791 on

      Honestly, this is a legit response. Either they leave immediatly, follow our guides giving through commands and radio or they go meet the devil personaly

    6. Well, remember what happened to a Korea civilian aircraft that entered Soviet Airspace? KAL007

    7. Battlefleet_Sol on

      There are still people spreading false information, so let’s set the record straight. First of all, after this incident, Turkish pilots were not arrested; their identities were kept secret for their own safety. There is no evidence that they were detained. Regarding the issue of Erdoğan apologizing: after the incident, Europe left Turkey isolated and did not offer strong support, since Merkel’s goal was to appease Russia. Europe was quite passive, and after the Karlov assassination, Erdoğan expressed regret over the incident in order to ease relations, but he did not officially apologize.

      After this incident, not a single Russian aircraft violated Turkey’s borders again, because they understood what would happen to them. Let’s not forget that if Europe and the United States had not left Turkey isolated, Turkey would neither have bought the S-400s from Russia nor developed such close ties with Moscow.

    8. Rude_Asparagus_382 on

      Yes, this is what Europe should do! Especially when Russian planes violate their territory for more than a minute! Let alone 12 minutes a blatant disregard of sovereignty that should be met with force….

    9. I assume that Finland (for one example) doesnt react because to turn on the radar and missile systems would be to allow the russians to start figuring out where they are. Finland makes a business of not overreacting to this stuff. Russian aircraft routinely violate the airspace so if every time the equipment launches into action they will get critical data. and if they know where the equipment is deployed it will make it easier for them when a war would come. I would imagine that a lot of countries do this to maintain ambiguity about their capacity. a country like Turkey, not to even talk about the US, could far more easily just shoot them down without consequences. The Baltic states have a lot less luxury in this regard.

    10. Europe doesn’t do that anymore… it still believes in diplomacy for some reason.

    11. People saying Erdogan apologized to Putin and blah blah blah. But there is something they WANT to forget, Relations between Turkey and Russia after the RU airfract was shot down and after the murder of russian ambassador in Ankara were so tense, and guess fucking what? NATO countries backed down and distanced themselves from Turkey, a loyal and a firm member of the alliance. European powers went as far as to call for “de-escalation” between parties like there is a beef between two countries somewhere in Southeast Asia.

      Turkey took it’s lessons here but so did Russia, it never violated Turkish airspace ever since.

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