After that pilot went to jail since he was „responsible“
WasteWing5137 on
Looks romantic
J-96788-EU on
Turkey, brave member of NATO.
CRE178 on
The best Russian pilots are warm Russian pilots.
GlobalFriendship5855 on
The MIG 31s in Estonia also had air to ground armaments (pls correct me if I’m wrong) so they presented a clear threat. I don’t know how you cannot shoot at least 1 of them down, which would’ve probably been enough. Otherwise this will just happen over and over again.
Also, unlike the incident in Turkey, those were 3 jets and not just 1, so the likelihood that is was just pilot error or a faulty navigation system ( which to be fair definitely could happen) is near 0.
Edit: spelling
Various_Tadpole7460 on
Roughly a year later, a turkish cop assassinated the russian ambassador over the russian aerial campaign over Aleppo.
And 6 months later, Erdogan begged Putin for forgiveness, had the pilots arrested, called them traitors and framed them as part fo the Gülen movement. After Russia started to lift the sanctions against Turkey, Erdogan announced to buy Russian AA systems instead of Amercian ones.
SheyenSmite on
Maybe necessary, but this sub is full of psychopaths who enjoy war.
asir100 on
Yet I remember how everyone condemned Turkey for this, how time changes.
And then Russia violated Turkish airspace again several months later.
edparadox on
You forgot the rest of the story, especially how Erdoğan reached out to Putin, framed the pilots for this act, etc.
Turkish propaganda is a tad too strong on this sub.
X-T1F on
The only reasonable response. The only response these animals will understand
coprosperityglobal on
EU doesn’t need to show its defence capability or weakness point now. It is just what Russia would like to know
Poleth87 on
The airplane never violated any airspace again.
FrequentFlyer100GS on
What it got to do with EU?
Kevinosaurus1791 on
Honestly, this is a legit response. Either they leave immediatly, follow our guides giving through commands and radio or they go meet the devil personaly
halazos on
Well, remember what happened to a Korea civilian aircraft that entered Soviet Airspace? KAL007
Battlefleet_Sol on
There are still people spreading false information, so let’s set the record straight. First of all, after this incident, Turkish pilots were not arrested; their identities were kept secret for their own safety. There is no evidence that they were detained. Regarding the issue of Erdoğan apologizing: after the incident, Europe left Turkey isolated and did not offer strong support, since Merkel’s goal was to appease Russia. Europe was quite passive, and after the Karlov assassination, Erdoğan expressed regret over the incident in order to ease relations, but he did not officially apologize.
After this incident, not a single Russian aircraft violated Turkey’s borders again, because they understood what would happen to them. Let’s not forget that if Europe and the United States had not left Turkey isolated, Turkey would neither have bought the S-400s from Russia nor developed such close ties with Moscow.
Atactos on
Turkish airplanes violate Greek airspace every day, tsilax mate
GT8686 on
Also didn’t had problem ever after
Rude_Asparagus_382 on
Yes, this is what Europe should do! Especially when Russian planes violate their territory for more than a minute! Let alone 12 minutes a blatant disregard of sovereignty that should be met with force….
maddog2271 on
I assume that Finland (for one example) doesnt react because to turn on the radar and missile systems would be to allow the russians to start figuring out where they are. Finland makes a business of not overreacting to this stuff. Russian aircraft routinely violate the airspace so if every time the equipment launches into action they will get critical data. and if they know where the equipment is deployed it will make it easier for them when a war would come. I would imagine that a lot of countries do this to maintain ambiguity about their capacity. a country like Turkey, not to even talk about the US, could far more easily just shoot them down without consequences. The Baltic states have a lot less luxury in this regard.
sant2060 on
And they never violated Turkish airspace again.
OrcaFlux on
Europe doesn’t do that anymore… it still believes in diplomacy for some reason.
dat_9600gt_user on
How long until the rest of Europe does the same?
whatissmm on
People saying Erdogan apologized to Putin and blah blah blah. But there is something they WANT to forget, Relations between Turkey and Russia after the RU airfract was shot down and after the murder of russian ambassador in Ankara were so tense, and guess fucking what? NATO countries backed down and distanced themselves from Turkey, a loyal and a firm member of the alliance. European powers went as far as to call for “de-escalation” between parties like there is a beef between two countries somewhere in Southeast Asia.
Turkey took it’s lessons here but so did Russia, it never violated Turkish airspace ever since.
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Beautiful
It’s art.
After that pilot went to jail since he was „responsible“
Looks romantic
Turkey, brave member of NATO.
The best Russian pilots are warm Russian pilots.
The MIG 31s in Estonia also had air to ground armaments (pls correct me if I’m wrong) so they presented a clear threat. I don’t know how you cannot shoot at least 1 of them down, which would’ve probably been enough. Otherwise this will just happen over and over again.
Also, unlike the incident in Turkey, those were 3 jets and not just 1, so the likelihood that is was just pilot error or a faulty navigation system ( which to be fair definitely could happen) is near 0.
Edit: spelling
Roughly a year later, a turkish cop assassinated the russian ambassador over the russian aerial campaign over Aleppo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Andrei_Karlov
Overall, an intense year.
More info?
And 6 months later, Erdogan begged Putin for forgiveness, had the pilots arrested, called them traitors and framed them as part fo the Gülen movement. After Russia started to lift the sanctions against Turkey, Erdogan announced to buy Russian AA systems instead of Amercian ones.
Maybe necessary, but this sub is full of psychopaths who enjoy war.
Yet I remember how everyone condemned Turkey for this, how time changes.
[More info. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown)
HANG IN THE LOURVE!
Top tourist trap in Turkey.
Ooo! Can we do that again?
Aspirational
And then Russia violated Turkish airspace again several months later.
You forgot the rest of the story, especially how Erdoğan reached out to Putin, framed the pilots for this act, etc.
Turkish propaganda is a tad too strong on this sub.
The only reasonable response. The only response these animals will understand
EU doesn’t need to show its defence capability or weakness point now. It is just what Russia would like to know
The airplane never violated any airspace again.
What it got to do with EU?
Honestly, this is a legit response. Either they leave immediatly, follow our guides giving through commands and radio or they go meet the devil personaly
Well, remember what happened to a Korea civilian aircraft that entered Soviet Airspace? KAL007
There are still people spreading false information, so let’s set the record straight. First of all, after this incident, Turkish pilots were not arrested; their identities were kept secret for their own safety. There is no evidence that they were detained. Regarding the issue of Erdoğan apologizing: after the incident, Europe left Turkey isolated and did not offer strong support, since Merkel’s goal was to appease Russia. Europe was quite passive, and after the Karlov assassination, Erdoğan expressed regret over the incident in order to ease relations, but he did not officially apologize.
After this incident, not a single Russian aircraft violated Turkey’s borders again, because they understood what would happen to them. Let’s not forget that if Europe and the United States had not left Turkey isolated, Turkey would neither have bought the S-400s from Russia nor developed such close ties with Moscow.
Turkish airplanes violate Greek airspace every day, tsilax mate
Also didn’t had problem ever after
Yes, this is what Europe should do! Especially when Russian planes violate their territory for more than a minute! Let alone 12 minutes a blatant disregard of sovereignty that should be met with force….
I assume that Finland (for one example) doesnt react because to turn on the radar and missile systems would be to allow the russians to start figuring out where they are. Finland makes a business of not overreacting to this stuff. Russian aircraft routinely violate the airspace so if every time the equipment launches into action they will get critical data. and if they know where the equipment is deployed it will make it easier for them when a war would come. I would imagine that a lot of countries do this to maintain ambiguity about their capacity. a country like Turkey, not to even talk about the US, could far more easily just shoot them down without consequences. The Baltic states have a lot less luxury in this regard.
And they never violated Turkish airspace again.
Europe doesn’t do that anymore… it still believes in diplomacy for some reason.
How long until the rest of Europe does the same?
People saying Erdogan apologized to Putin and blah blah blah. But there is something they WANT to forget, Relations between Turkey and Russia after the RU airfract was shot down and after the murder of russian ambassador in Ankara were so tense, and guess fucking what? NATO countries backed down and distanced themselves from Turkey, a loyal and a firm member of the alliance. European powers went as far as to call for “de-escalation” between parties like there is a beef between two countries somewhere in Southeast Asia.
Turkey took it’s lessons here but so did Russia, it never violated Turkish airspace ever since.