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    1. theombudsmen on

      You can gaslight your way out of a nazi salute caught on video forever. You also can’t gaslight it into a „roman salute“, not outside of trump’s idiot brigade, at least.

    2. thepartypantser on

      If it steps like a goose…

      Elon *might* not be a capital „N“ Nazi, but he certainly pushes some similar ideas, and attempts to appeal to actual Nazis.

      And then the two Nazi gestures that he never really explained or apologized for.

    3. TubeframeMR2 on

      Elon is not into authoritarianism, he just thinks he should control speech, media, AI, space, and your opinion of him. Totally different.

    4. Not really, when you do a Nazi salute, have it pointed out to you that you did so, and your reaction is something other than „oh shit, well that was a complete accident and unintentional and in no way whatsoever do I condone Nazism; I condemn it absolutely“, which is what a normal, well-adjusted, non-Nazi would have said in that situation. I don’t consider that „outrageous“ in the slightest.

    5. Dzogchen-wannabee on

      If it walks, quacks and looks like a duck, then it’s probably a duck.

    6. usernames_suck_ok on

      >“Now, obviously,” he continued, “I’ve not harmed anyone in my life, so it’s an outrageous thing to claim that I’m a Nazi, because the issue with Nazis was not their mannerisms or their, you know, choice of dress, but the fact that they killed millions of people. That’s the issue. They’ve also called President Trump a Nazi, and there was one publication that said He’s … worse than Hitler, Stalin, and maybe Mao combined, but he also is not a violent person, and, in fact, has done a lot to prevent wars and stop wars, which is the very opposite of being a Nazi.”

      Don’t have to be violent to harm people or to share Nazi ideology. He clearly does both. Trump, too.

    7. Huckleberry199 on

      Does Nazi salutes, supports the AFD, who would think that he’s a Nazi?

    8. CheezeLoueez08 on

      Then don’t act like a Nazi. Not hard really. I’ve never been called a Nazi. Because, crazy I know, I don’t act like one.

    9. Huckleberry199 on

      Elon supported a tweet that absolved Hitler of murdering 6 million Jews. He’s a Nazi.

    10. These are some of my least favourite headlines (in a time where they know people only read headlines). Where they just uncritically, without any context or pushback, present the direct quotes of a lying scumbag. I had taken to calling them „Trump says…“ headlines, as that’s the most common example of it. „Trump says [direct quote of something entirely untrue, but without any context or pushback or clarification]“

      People who pay attention to stuff can obviously bring in their own context to go „oh, Elon says a lie,“ but what about the politically disconnected just encountering it in the wild? „Elon says he’s not a Nazi? Guess that’s true, headline gives me no reason to think otherwise!“

    11. johnnybsomething on

      Not even a little bit outrageous. Musk supports a fascist, nazi republican terrorist and is part of their cult. He’s a nazi.

    12. EvanWasHere on

      So finally, he denies being a Nazi. Something anyone who was being accused of being a Nazi would have done months ago.

      But of course there’s a catch. He’s only saying he’s not a Nazi because he’s not violent. He’s not denying he believes in what Nazis believe. Or that he has an issue with others doing the violence for him.

      Hitler never did any of the violence himself either.

    13. findtheclue on

      So his only rebuttal is that he hasn’t gassed millions of people? Yet? They all start somewhere…and Naziisim is about a lot more than just killing.

    14. Musk is a Nazi and he should just own it since he’s never going to get support from anyone on the left again. That ship has sailed and sunk.

    15. Apartheid history. Nazi salute. Eugenics tendencies. Unchecked money and power. Bigot.

      Yeah no…
      Nazi shit. He’s a Nazi

    16. NOCHILLDYL94 on

      If there are 10 people at a table and 1 of them is a Nazi, and the others at the table don’t mind the nazi’s presence, you have 10 nazi’s at a table.

      The fact that Tesla’s board hasn’t pushed Elon out yet s telling that they too are nazis by association.

    17. It’s outrageous that this piece of shit was ever allowed to be a part of the US Government

    18. RattusRattus on

      > “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

      –Sartre

    19. Indorilionn on

      You did the Hitler salute at a Trump ralley. Anyone who denies that it was one is delusional, insincere or motivated by griftership. You support the fascist AfD here in Germany. The AfD has just been labled „verified right-wing extremist“ by the Bundesverfassungsschutz (our domestic intelligence service that has always been known to be insufficiently informed and aware of right-winged/fascist threats to the public and the state). This means that its positions, plans and actions are proven to be a threat to the Federal Republic Of Germany as a state under the rule of law, as layed out in the Grundgesetz (basic law), our constitution. So much so that banning the party is now on the table. And that considering that the legal hurdles for such actions are very high in Germany*.

      You have also made no amends and not engaged with any of this in any meaningful way. You simply deny your actions and do not take any responsibility for them, playing the victim card where you are a perpetrator that actively works to make this world a worse place for humanity as a whole.

      You have made your own bed, now lie in it.

      (*Personally I think that this should have been initiated at least since 2017, when the far-right politician (Frauke Petry) that previously ousted the original founder Bernd Lucke in 2015, was once again ousted by the factions far to the right of her. This party and all their actors are anathema to anything that made the Federal Republic a legitimate actor in the world again after National Socialism and WW2.)

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