Hallo! Ich studiere gerade für eine theoretische Prüfung und habe mich im Scheintest von diesen beiden Fragen verwirrt.
Mein Gedanke war, dass Sie sich in diesen Situationen nicht wenden können, weil es ein Restriktionszeichen gibt.
Auf beiden Bildern ist ein Zeichen unten auf demselben Pol die rechteckige „Anwendbarkeitsplaque“, die die obere ergänzen würde. Deshalb dachte ich, dass sie völlig unabhängig sind und damit Lastwagen/Anhänger vollständig verbieten.
Der Test besagt, dass ich mich irre, und Sie können sich in beiden Fällen wenden. Steckt ich falsch? Ergänzen sich mehrere Anzeichen auf demselben Pol oder so?
Ich konnte keine Informationen finden, die sich von meinem vorhandenen Wissen unterschieden, also bitte ich nach Ihrer Meinung dazu. Glaubst du, es gibt einen Fehler im Test?
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1jy0fch
Von defeatedlemon
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So are you taking the test for cars or lorries
First picture: you can turn left because you don’t have a trailer attached to your car
Second picture: you can turn right because you are not driving a truck
Where can you do these?
Wth hell is this? I have never seen this irl, and I used to be a cop for a long time.
It would make no sense for the signs to be independent. But yes, you will never see these signs in real life and I am not sure it’s even allowed as a combo.
0xF1A5C0 is right. They covered it pretty well.
Finally some interesting question. Seriously, we may need a sub reddit for local traffic signs and rules related questions.
I usually use logical operator approach when there are more than one signs with the same colors. Works most of the time.
Never liked these theory tests. In exams, they are conducted on tablets, and photos are just graphics with terrible resolution. Photos from real life might be better.
I failed the theory test twice.Driving test, passed in first attempt.
Some links which may help:
https://autokoulutreeni.fi/b-kirja/luku00/eng/index.html
https://ajokoulu.autoliitto.fi/hanki-ajokortti/teoriakoe
This one helped me. Paid.
https://www.liikenneopetus.fi/courses/passenger-car-course-online/
„Lisäkilpi“ is by definition in the law a rectangle, so my interpretation would be: No turning left. No trailers straight? So would that actually ban a trailer going straight since it’s irrelevant to the first sign? I’m confused.
Definitely guessing here but to ban trailers from turning it should have a sign „C18 Vasemmalle kääntyminen kielletty“ followed with a series „H12 ajoneuvoryhmä“ signs with „EI KOSKE“ text on them that can go. There doesn’t seem to be an requivalent C4 sign as a H12 sign.
Please contact the people who made this and ask for clarification and report back 🙂
I don’t see how these would make sense in any situation.
If the bottom signs are **not** applicability plaques:
– Both pictures are confusing, because the road marking and forbidden turning signs are conflicting
– 1st picture: not allowed to go anywhere with a trailer
– 2nd picture: not allowed to go anywhere with truck or van
– the correct answers would be correct
If they **are** applicability plagues:
– Conflicts with regulation saying appicability plagues are rectangle
– road markings and signs would not be conflicting
– How should the signs be set up, if they were intented to be separate?
– correct answer would be incorrect
My conclusion: Whoever made the test pictures didn’t know what they are doing, because Finnish road signs are hard to comprehend.
These signs make absolutely no sense in real life and I would report them to the site. Technically they forbid turning for all vehicles and then also forbid the trailer and truck driving forward through the sign, so where are they supposed to go? The C sign should be included with a lisäkilpi to be able to work the way the system is telling you
When I was practicing for the written tests, my instructor gave me suggestion that if I am confused by the sign Infront of me, I should look at other signs or pointers around. For eg, in first pic, am I allowed to go left if I don’t have a trailer? Well from left a car is coming and behind him is a solid line in middle of road. So it means it’s both ways traffic, and road sign says I can go left so I’ll go left. In second pic, it’s the one way blue signs, why it’s there if I can’t go, and on the sign it says only trucks. Maybe I’m wrong but this is how I learnt. Irl I’ve never seen this kind of confusing signs and I’ve driven all over Finland.
So, with your logic what does the lower sign communicate?
The „correct answer“ is absolutely wrong.
The no turning signs apply to all vehicles, so you can’t turn. The no trailers and no lorries signs are separate main signs, and forbid driving those types of vehicles past the sign post. They are not additional signs limiting the effect of the main sign.
The only detail I can think of that *could* have made a difference is that the sign post in the first picture is on the left side. But, I checked, and prohibitory signs are allowed to be posted on the left side of the road, if there are „special circumstances“ to do so.
The official sign should be something like this:
[https://www.liikenneturva.fi/kysymykset-ja-vastaukset/oikealle-kaantyminen-kielletty-liikennemerkki-ja-lisakilpi-kuorma/](https://www.liikenneturva.fi/kysymykset-ja-vastaukset/oikealle-kaantyminen-kielletty-liikennemerkki-ja-lisakilpi-kuorma/)
https://preview.redd.it/mtnkqj8ibkue1.png?width=143&format=png&auto=webp&s=498da66842fc33dfa0451f4afb1baafa968b8e5e
This is turning left is prohibited, and the extra sign say it is limited and prohibited for vehicle combination (e.g., truck and trailer). Any other vechicle can turn.
Just go straight, other directions are geh
I would have said „yes“ to both. It’s been a minute since I went to driving school, but one thing I remember clearly is that the guidance painted on the pavement takes precedence over signs. Doesn’t make much sense since it can fade or be covered in snow, but that’s the law. Or used to to be. Seems like that’s the case, still.
Reading traffic sign combos is road law 101, I’m not surprised they expect you how to read these before they give you a license.
I’m also shocked at the number of people in this thread who give patently wrong answers („Painted instructions override traffic signs“ for example). Do you have a license?
You are wrong in both cases, but those scenarios were both bullshit trick questions. You’ll never encounter situations like that in real life
Top sign always says what u can or cant do. The one below it spesifies on who does this apply to(nothing below means that it applies to everyone). So in this instance top sign says cant turn left, but the sign below it shows that it only applies to those who have a trailer attached to their car
I hated these during my study for my drivers exam.
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What’s the question, it’s pretty obvious lol
The left and right denied is only for trucks because the truck sign is under the turning sign
I would guess that when there are two MAIN signs, they both apply.
If they want to apply additional thing to a MAIN sign, they have to use additional sign (LISÄKILPI) which is rectangular. In OP’s pic there is no additional sign to say who can’t turn left.
Now there are two main signs. Upper one forbids turning left. The lower one forbids driving a combination on the road (straight on that lane).
Like if there is „80“ and „no parking“, it means max speed 80km/h and you can’t park on the road. That is the only reasonably way to interpret several main signs.
So I would say the test is incorrect. But I could be wrong.