I used to think humans would go to Mars. The older I get, the more it seems to me to be an impossible pipe dream. There’s nothing there for humans. The science can be accomplished with improved robotics. Mars is deadly, the trip there and back is potentially deadly and at least very bad for humans.
It costs way more than any political or private endeavor can afford, and for what payoff. Getting people back to the moon is more challenging than people had predicted, and we’ve already been there. Technology isn’t what’s holding us back, it’s the reality that humans aren’t made for more than little jaunts off planet, mostly for flex, but some science as well.
The impending climate crisis, I think, deserves more attention than fantasies about human trips to Mars.
There are billions of people on this planet threatened by ecological collapse, there aren’t any on Mars.
I don’t see how sending a few people to the red planet helps the rest of us here on Earth.
No-Departure-899 on
Nine million people will die of hunger this year. 100 million are homeless. Maybe Elon should focus his energy on real issues and lay off the weed.
theanedditor on
Musk was **never** interested in going to Mars. Every enterprise was a stepping stone to the real goal, being in charge of Earth through wealth, communications, politics, and disruption. It’s quite sci-fi worthy in its own way.
A brief list of failed deadlines and quietly dropped initiatives really starts to illuminate it, add to the the weird things, like his weird obsession with the rescue diver a few years ago, the endless fathering of children by different women, the emotional disregulation.
Everyone was caught up in the glare of the show, history will do its job.
Ornery-Ticket834 on
The real problems of going to and from Mars are going to be issues for a long time.
par-a-dox-i-cal on
Humans in space bring unnecessary complexity. The life support system is there to keep humans from not becoming dead weight, so they live useless weight. Robots will explore and exploit space. Humans are here on earth to stay, so we should take care more of earth and less invest in futile endeavors of colonizing Mars.
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> It would make far more sense to develop and use a similar but much smaller vehicle — a “Starboat” if you will — to travel between the surface of Mars and its orbit. Starship plus Starboat could enable highly efficient missions to Mars. But this will require a programme leadership capable of speaking truth to power.
Zubrin has always been a fan of elegant, hardware heavy approaches, and as a result has always seemed to have a bit of a blind spot in regards to the cost and risk additional purpose built hardware creates.
Material_Policy6327 on
He’s claimed he was going to Marz every year and keeps making false promises. It will be 2045 if we are lucky
SteamrollerAssault on
Zubrin has been one of the most vocal advocates for a manned mission to Mars for decades. I look forward to reading his take.
oooo0O0oooo on
The problem I have with it is that it is the right solution to the wrong problem.
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I used to think humans would go to Mars. The older I get, the more it seems to me to be an impossible pipe dream. There’s nothing there for humans. The science can be accomplished with improved robotics. Mars is deadly, the trip there and back is potentially deadly and at least very bad for humans.
It costs way more than any political or private endeavor can afford, and for what payoff. Getting people back to the moon is more challenging than people had predicted, and we’ve already been there. Technology isn’t what’s holding us back, it’s the reality that humans aren’t made for more than little jaunts off planet, mostly for flex, but some science as well.
The impending climate crisis, I think, deserves more attention than fantasies about human trips to Mars.
There are billions of people on this planet threatened by ecological collapse, there aren’t any on Mars.
I don’t see how sending a few people to the red planet helps the rest of us here on Earth.
Nine million people will die of hunger this year. 100 million are homeless. Maybe Elon should focus his energy on real issues and lay off the weed.
Musk was **never** interested in going to Mars. Every enterprise was a stepping stone to the real goal, being in charge of Earth through wealth, communications, politics, and disruption. It’s quite sci-fi worthy in its own way.
A brief list of failed deadlines and quietly dropped initiatives really starts to illuminate it, add to the the weird things, like his weird obsession with the rescue diver a few years ago, the endless fathering of children by different women, the emotional disregulation.
Everyone was caught up in the glare of the show, history will do its job.
The real problems of going to and from Mars are going to be issues for a long time.
Humans in space bring unnecessary complexity. The life support system is there to keep humans from not becoming dead weight, so they live useless weight. Robots will explore and exploit space. Humans are here on earth to stay, so we should take care more of earth and less invest in futile endeavors of colonizing Mars.
> It would make far more sense to develop and use a similar but much smaller vehicle — a “Starboat” if you will — to travel between the surface of Mars and its orbit. Starship plus Starboat could enable highly efficient missions to Mars. But this will require a programme leadership capable of speaking truth to power.
Zubrin has always been a fan of elegant, hardware heavy approaches, and as a result has always seemed to have a bit of a blind spot in regards to the cost and risk additional purpose built hardware creates.
He’s claimed he was going to Marz every year and keeps making false promises. It will be 2045 if we are lucky
Zubrin has been one of the most vocal advocates for a manned mission to Mars for decades. I look forward to reading his take.
The problem I have with it is that it is the right solution to the wrong problem.