Hallo Leute, ich hoffe es geht euch allen gut.
Ich suche Rat zu einer frustrierenden Situation mit einem Gebrauchtwagen, das ich letztes Jahr bei Saka gekauft habe. Als ich es kaufte, wurde mir gesagt, es sei alt, aber in gutem Zustand und sollte mir ein paar Jahre dauern. Im vergangenen Jahr hatte ich keine wichtigen Probleme – nur kleinere Dinge hier und da, aber nichts Ernstes. Das Auto fuhr ohne mechanische Probleme gut.
Dann kam die Inspektionszeit. Bevor ich es einnahm, ließ ich meinen mechanischen Freund meine Reifen wechseln, und als er das Auto überprüfte, bemerkte er viel Rost darunter. Er warnte mich, dass es möglicherweise keine Inspektion bestehen könnte, und bot sogar an, einige Korrekturen vorzunehmen, aber ich nahm es damals nicht zu ernst.
Als ich endlich die Inspektion machte, wies der Inspektor auf mehrere ernsthafte Probleme hin (was ich nicht vollständig verstand, da ich kein Mechaniker bin) und stellte sofort ein Fahrverbot des Autos ein. Mir wurde gesagt, ich könnte es nur bis zum nächsten Tag fahren.
Da die Inspektionsstation neben einem Mechaniker war, ging ich dorthin, um zu fragen, wie viel es kosten würde, es zu beheben. Sie sagten mir, sie könnten keines der aufgeführten Probleme beheben und schickten mich woanders hin. Dies geschah immer wieder – jeder Mechaniker besuchte ich entweder auf eine andere Automarke spezialisiert oder sagte, sie könnten nicht mit den Reparaturen umgehen. Am Ende habe ich das Auto gerade in meiner Garage geparkt und herausfanden, was ich als nächstes tun sollte.
Ich kaufte das Auto mit einem Darlehen von Santander, also kontaktierte ich sie, erklärte die Situation und fragte, ob sie vernünftig sein könnten, da ich das Auto nur ein Jahr lang besessen hatte. Sie weigerten sich zu helfen und sagten mir, ich solle es mit Saka aufnehmen.
Ich habe dann Saka kontaktiert – zuerst den Verkäufer, der mir das Auto verkaufte, der sich sofort weigerte, etwas zu tun, und dann ihr Hauptquartier. Ich erklärte, dass ich ihrem Wort vertraut habe, als sie sagten, das Auto sei in gutem Zustand und erwartete es, es mehrere Jahre lang zu verwenden. Nach einiger Hin- und Her boten sie schließlich an, mich mit etwa 25% des Preises des Autos zu entschädigen, damit ich es loswerden konnte. Ich nahm das Angebot an und dachte, dass ein rechtlicher Kampf kostspielig und zeitaufwändig sein würde, aber jetzt stecke ich mit dem gleichen Problem fest.
Jetzt versuche ich meine nächsten Schritte herauszufinden. Der Workshop eines Mechanikers bot mir 200 €, es für Teile zu kaufen, aber das scheint sehr niedrig zu sein. Andere Mechaniker sagten mir, dass meine einzige Möglichkeit es war, sie an einen Schrottplatz zu schicken, aber das fühlt sich wie ein Verschwendung an, da das Auto immer noch gut fährt – es kann einfach nicht legal gefahren werden.
Ich würde mich sehr schätzen, besonders wenn jemand in einer ähnlichen Situation war. Das Ganze war unglaublich stressig und ich habe das Gefühl, dass ich vor dem Kauf mehrmals nach dem Zustand des Autos gefragt wurde.
PS: Das Auto ist ein alter Toyota, und die Inspektion wurde von plus Katsastus durchgeführt. Ich habe einige Bilder von den Problemen beigefügt. Vielen Dank im Voraus für einen Rat!
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Von Fast-Square2042
21 Kommentare
You should examine the car thoroughly and test drive it before buying.
The price is the key question here when determining how long the car should last. The [brief instructions what is considered a defect can be found at KKV’s site](https://www.kkv.fi/en/consumer-affairs/cars-and-parking/second-hand-car/a-defect-in-a-second-hand-car/). Also how old the car is and how much it has been driven plays a part, and we’d need all those informations to provide more answers. However, you already negotiated with SAKA and accepted their offer, so that most likely limits the complainment options greatly.
If the price was low, the car was old and had a lot in it’s odometer (things which most likely are listed in the bill of sale), and the seller promised „a few years“ and it lasted one, it’s closeish to what was promised.
Note that car which is prone to rust rusts a lot in one year, even after fixes. So a lot of the rust has gone worse over the past year. I used to have one, it had to be extensively fixed each year.
It’s likely that fixing that car isn’t a good option. Extensive rust damages cost a ton to fix, and doesn’t last that long.
theres no way these problems didnt already exist when u bought it
You already took the comp offer from Saka, there’s not much left to do. Better luck next time.
Since you accepted the compensation from SAKA, there is not much to do any longer. The problem is yours now since you accepted compensation.
So I am not really sure what the question is, rather than getting rid of the car or fix it up on your expense. Most likely just better to get a new car. Maybe the mechanic offering to buy it can partially trade it in for a functional car?
But generally, you need everything in writing, and if you are unsure when buying, you can have a katsastus place review the car for you for a fee. This is worth it if you dont know about cars.
Taking the comp offer was the last of a series of grave errors.
Nothing left to do but bite the bullet and take the loss. Live and learn.
Used cars need fixing. You got some money back from Saka which is good, they are not obliged to compensate. Personally i wouldnt repair the car propably, maybe offer the car for parts in some local puskaradio Facebook group. There are always people who rip these apart and sell forward or use the parta themselves.
There are important details missing, such as the age of the car, how many kilometers under it, and what was the price. There’s a huge difference on what to expect if it costed 1000€ vs. 10 000€. The make, model, age are also an important factor to determine if it is worth fixing.
So you may have been swindled hard, slightly or then not by the salesperson (there’s not enought details in your post). If the price was OK considering age and km driven, and if it’s old and has been driven a lot, rust and issues **may and perhaps should** be expected. Remember never to trust salesperson blindly, read the service record of the car, check when was it’s last inspection and what was noted in it. Also, nothing not in written can be really difficult to dispute (i.e. if the salesperson blatantly lied to you).
That being said – the responsibility of having the car **you own** being in **a safe state** is **yours**. Owning a used or old car is always a bit more challenging. Of course there are mechanics and workshops you need to consult (since few of us can really fix our cars ourself, do not have the skills or equipment). **In this case, you were warned beforehand by your friend, and chose to ignored it!**
I mean, it is possible you have been somewhat swindled by the salesperson (we can not really now) – but, not meaning to be condescending, at least partly you’ve got yourself to blame.
Especially this part talks of a really bad unsafe attitude:
> Now I’m trying to figure out my next steps. A mechanic’s workshop offered me €200 to buy it for parts, but that seems really low. Other mechanics told me my only option was to send it to a scrapyard, but that feels like a waste since the car still runs fine—it just can’t legally be driven.
No. You need to make sure yourself your car is safe. There is a reason some can not be legally driven, having an engine with wheels is not enough. There are too many deathtraps out there already.
2002 a car and you drove 20,000 km in it. All good things must come to an end and 25 year old cheap (it was cheap also when it was new) car for spare parts is worth about 200eur.
Sounds like a natural life cycle.
The first mistake was you took a loan out on a 23 year old car. The rust a year ago probably wasnt as bad as it is now (and thats why it passed inspection last year before being taken to saka as a trade in, no big used car dealership will buy a car that old…), rust is a common problem in finland, the fact that your handbrake doesnt work is a mechanical fault which has appeared over time (completely normal, every car ive owned during the past 15 years if i took them for inspection ive had to change handbrake cables and/or rear calipers). As for the seat not moving, that should not have come as a surprise as, well, the seat doesnt move 😅😂 most mechanics hate fixing rust because the quote youre usually given before they start will never cover the amount of work there actually is since when fixing rust you need to remove not only the obvious rust parts but have to grind until you reach clean metal where to weld and thats usually 5-20cm more than what can be seen with your eyes… for the handbrake the fix is usually tightening the handbrake cables or then the piston inside the caliper is rusted stuck. For the seat your beat option is looking for a new seat (from a junkyard or from someone who is breaking the same car as you have for parts). Not sure where in finland you live so dont know what mechanic places there are, but “mamu korjaamot” are your beat bet, in other words any shop run by immigrants. They know toyotas inside and out usually
Where is this Toyota located? If somewhere near Helsinki, I can give you a estimation of fixing it or buy it. You can send me dm for more info.
„in good condition“
„rust damage in left, center, inside, front, right“
lol, this is why I never buy from used car dealers
How much in km the car has been driven when you bought it?
2002 model is too old to buy in 2024, even if it looks good from outside, 22 years will rust the car body in hell.
Every issue listed is fixable most likely, atleast I can’t spot anything so major that you should scrap the car. Ask a smaller repairshop or vocational school that trains mechanics, if they would take the job. You’re most likely dealing with repair shops that got enough easier jobs lined up already.
If the repairs cost more than 50% of the cars price, then consider if it’s worth to get it repaired anyway.
It’s great that the dealership compensated, you have no way to win a legal case most likely unless they signed some sort of contract with stupid terms.
edit: Just to add you can get special permission to move the car to the repairshop and driving to the inspection is by default acceptable. If police stop you just show the reservation.
Just sell it in nettiauto clearly stating the defects. Someone will buy it for 500-800€ and fix it.
The listed problems are
– handbrake not effective (enough)
– rust
– rust
– rust
– no access to rear seat, front seat doesn’t fold
– headlight doesn’t work
Headlight is most likely a burnt bulb, that’s easy and cheap to replace. The handrake is probably easyish to fix for anyone of any mechanical competence. Since it’s an old toyota the parts are likely cheap. The seat folding is harder to comment on. It might be something really easy, might be something difficult and expensive. Easiest certain fix is a new (used) seat that works. The rust is more complicated but maybe your friend can help with that.
What toyota is it? Model/year? And how much did you pay for it?
so you bought an old toyota in finland, you drove it for a year with no telling how you kept it or if this year period included driving on salt and not washing the car a single time turning possible mild rust into rot, the fact youve received any compensation is incredibly lucky and very surprising to me, after a year and 20,000 km youd have noticed all of this if you even once maintained this car as well or taken a look a single time at what you were buying and driving, which just leaves me completely puzzled on this entire thing
200€ is a reasonable price for a 2002 corolla that won’t pass inspection. You’ll get more out of it if you sell the parts individually yourself, but you don’t sound mechanically inclined enough to disassemble it, put a good price on the parts and wait months for them to be sold.
Not enough room to get into the backseat? lol. That’s an asshole inspector.
You can get more than 200€ if you sell it for parts, but that will require you to do work to part it out of course.
I am slightly worried that you took it to inspection with a broken headlight, which is extremely simple to fix and one of the most basic things you as a driver should be taking care of. The fact that you have not noticed or bothered to fix it is not good.
This says to me that you really do not know anything about cars, even basic things related to safety and buying a different old car is not a good option.
Better luck next time. Rust issues should have been present already at point of sale, that kind of damage doesn’t just happen over a year, but will get a lot worse fast. It’s also a pain in the ass to fix said issues as it often requires removing rusted out parts, changing them or welding new sheet metal to replace them. I would look for some specialist mechanic shop that does rust damage repairs. Or then sell the car and accept the loss