Starrer sagte zu Zelensky: Gehen Sie zurück und patchen Sie die Dinge mit Trump auf

i.e. europe will continue to offer Words of support but not actually step up and do what needs to be done. the US is out of this equation as long as Trump/the GOP are involved, they need to deal with that reality.

This was probably the first meeting with another world leader that Trump entered with an exact plan what to say, do and get out of it. There was nothing Zelensky could have done to change that outcome; there’s nothing he can do if he were to go back to the White House. Why would Trump give him another 5 mins of his time anyway?

So he got humiliated and the NATO secretary tells him to „find a way to restore the relationship“. They literally made fun of him in the scripted „suit question“ and they expect him to go back there?

Why don’t they get some balls and ask from the orange turd who was the actual offender to ask sorry from Zelenskyy?

Seems like NATO turned into girls night out.

How I wish there were leaders like Churchill, De Gaule, etc who said f u to the world and did the right thing even when they were all alone

These leaders are acting as if Trump is a rational actor that can be reasoned with. It’s clear based on Vance’s Munich speech and the administrations actions that Trump has total disdain for his allies in Europe. His preference would be for all their countries to be fun by parties similar to AfD, Reform and Fidesz, and its clear that he intends to try and make that happen. Ita also clear that he does not reallt care if Russia overruns Ukraine, and may in fact prefer that outcome. Europe has to wake up and realize that they cannot count on Trump, and must take the lead in helping Ukraine and defending their own interests.

Despite the nationalist fervor overtaking the common people of Europe, its leaders are more pragmatic.

They cannot lose the alliance with America.

Even if the EU were to (miraculously) transform into some kind of federation, or even if PESCO were to (miraculously) replace NATO, individual European states would still maintain their own bilateral relations with America.

For something like a federation or a European army to form, one state must convince the others it can best serve their interests.

America, while a fickle ally at times, is a far away power disinterested in internal European politicking.

The scope of America’s opinion on internal European affairs is limited to that which affects her own interests.

Her primary interest in Europe is as a base for foreign policy interests in other theaters such as the Middle East or Africa.

Therefore America couldn’t care less how grain from Ukraine impacts Polish, Hungarian, or Slovakian farmers, to cite a simple and recent example of this dynamic.

But another European country might, and it is because of this that truly divorcing America from Europe is a foolhardy dream.

For without America, who will weaker European countries turn to for protection against the interests of more powerful states such as France or Germany?

As another example, the ongoing dispute of reparations between Greece and Germany.

Until this fundamental imbalance of power and division of interests between European states can be remedied, it is in Europe’s best interest to keep America interested in European defense and uninterested in European politics.

As Starmer told Zelenskyy…

>>Later that evening, Sir Keir telephoned Mr Zelensky to try to persuade him to return to the White House, and then called Mr Trump in an attempt to lower the temperature. His efforts came to no avail, as the Americans told him that tempers needed calming before any return to discussions.

>>Mr Zelensky has since come under pressure from other European leaders to try and make up with Mr Trump. Mark Rutte, the Nato Secretary General, said that he also urged a rapprochement.

>>Mr Rutte told the BBC: “I said: I think you have to find a way, dear Volodymyr, to restore your relationship with Donald Trump and the American administration. That is important going forward.”

you know when Golda Meir play goff with IKE and after meeting with POUTS . She say “ IKE teach us a big lesson trust nobody than yourself „

I think it’s pretty clear that Trump is not negotiating in good faith, saying this to him feels pretty silly.