Kann die Ukraine ohne US -Hilfe überleben? Die Realität, es alleine zu gehen
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/aid-ukraine-us-trump-zelensky-bbm899rln?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Reddit#Echobox=1740838027
Kann die Ukraine ohne US -Hilfe überleben? Die Realität, es alleine zu gehen
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/aid-ukraine-us-trump-zelensky-bbm899rln?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Reddit#Echobox=1740838027
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***From The Times:***
The row in the Oval Office between President Zelensky and President Trump has brought the geopolitical nightmare scenarios conjured during last month’s Munich Security Conference closer to reality: an American withdrawal from Europe, a breakup of Nato, even a closer ideological affinity between Washington and Moscow than with its traditional allies. The question of whether Ukraine can continue to defend itself against Russia’s invasion without US support is now an immediate concern.
What will the US do?
Whether this was a deliberate ambush in the White House or Zelensky mishandling a thin-skinned president does not, in this specific context, matter. President Trump is not a person likely to allow this defiance to pass unpunished.
There are reports that he is contemplating a halt to military aid; recent shipments were initiated under his predecessor, Joe Biden. There is $3.85 billion allocated for weapons that can be transferred from existing US stockpiles and another $1.5 billion in Department of State military financing, currently frozen along with most of the rest of foreign aid as the new administration revisits old commitments. The president has announced no new support packages, and can choose not to use the remaining funding.
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Battlefield and strategic tactics may change. Ukraine may choose to give up an entire theatre of war, and Russia may gain enormous ground.
But that doesn’t mean Kyiv is under threat again or that Russia has a realistic chance of toppling the Ukrainian state. Especially since the US Congress will have more elections in a year or two.
Also Trump may like this „great television“ and may simply want this crisis to go on forever. So he may allow it to fester, which may mean just moaning a lot but secretly allowing the aid to keep flowing, if even at a trickle. For example Russia sanctions are on for another year at least. Trump could have simply cancelled them.
He’s not going it alone.
This is an Americentric piece. It’s Trump who’s given up on his allies because he admires dictators. It doesn’t mean the rest of the Western world will.
Russia can barely take small villages while riding motorbikes and donkeys, they haven’t even made it to the insurgency phase.
Total embarrassment for Russia. Europe can provide enough to keep Ukraine fighting.
Is it possible that trump just does it for the show? Are there still weapons going to Ukraine? If yes it seems likely. He continues the role of the apprentice, it’s what the people know him as.
What would happen if a non-nuclear member of NATO sent troops into the Ukraine theatre under their country’s flag, not NATO’s?
I.e., the only reason NATO is not fighting is because it risks escalating a global nuclear confrontation. But what if that wasn’t a risk?
Of course Ukraine can survive without the US but it requires the rest of the west to step up.
Europe has not provided Ukraine with enough nor have they moved with enough agency. The US is gone on the matter, Bidens old red lines don’t matter. Give Ukraine what they want as soon as they want and replace it.
Can anyone explain to me why US is going to be the only country to take the rare minerals from Ukraine and Europe, instead, should spend more money on the army? Will countries in Europe just follow whatever Trump is going to order to them?
1 Shahed-136 drone cost 20-30 thousands dollars.
Creation of 40,000 of them per year by European civil businesses will cost just 1 billion dollars.
Just only by one such investment, Ukraine all these years could win the war via destruction of the most important Russian economic facilities.
The USA is going it alone now, they got it backwards
Going alone? the Rest of the world at large supports Ukraine. The US is taking it ball and going home like the petulant child their leader is.
No it cannot. and we will see that
We , as Europe, we have a chance to prove we can stand still and fight without Uncle Sam.
I mean, ok, Trump one day will be gone, but another one like him (or even worse) can be a president…we can’t live depending on the hopes a new good POTUS will come.
The EU should have counter-invaded Ukraine as soon as the russians retreated the first time, and deployed peacekeepers in the contested territories.
Yes it can. They did very well at the start of the war, when they had no help. They will do fine with European and other countries help.
I know the US administration rubles all this nonsense about Europeans not being ready and not doing enough bla bla bla. This is dust in the eyes of the average citizens. I live in Romania and probably our Polish neighbors can confirm – at any given time we are ready to increase and transform our manufacturing production into war production. Same for Germany and UK. It really doesn’t take too long to switch from manufacturing cars to manufacturing tanks.
Until these past weeks it wasn’t needed for us to do it because we were paying for American defense systems. If our money are not needed by the Trump administration we will buy from somewhere else and we will start producing our own systems. That’s what the average citizens seem not to understand.. we were not producing not because we didn’t want to but because another of our partners did it and we were fine with it 🤷♀️ obviously it is not the case anymore..
Only if Europe and the UK step up their aid (financial and military) dramatically.
However, it is likely Ukraine will adjust to more guerilla tactics if they find themselves in such a position.
At the same time we can’t discuss this without realizing the very real and dangerous consequences of the US pulling back support:
Encourage authoritarian states to act aggressively.
Signal weakness to China regarding Taiwan.
Shift the war burden to Europe, potentially forcing a NATO-Russia war.
Harm, or even utterly cripple the US economy and global stability.
The US is alone, the rest of the free world support Ukraine
Keep in mind the most popular political pundits claimed Ukraine would take back Crimea in 2024. I did speak up against it earning downvotes each time and get why pro Ukraine propaganda was needed for other people. But the whole plan was delusion. Singular Western opinions on what will happen in Ukraine have been consistently wrong. They talk to Ukrainians to get opinions, but they live in the West far away from any war. And barely keep up with the news there. Rather we need to focus on think tanks that are collecting much more info much faster.
Ukraine is not alone. The entire premise of this article is flawed. Ukraine can win without the US. It will be harder, but it’s still possible.
Ukraine has also been getting help from the EU, and I’m hoping they will increase that assistance to make up for americas shameful attempt to profit from Russia’s invasion.