Neue Erkenntnisse aus Sam Altmans Grundeinkommensstudie stellen eines der Hauptargumente gegen diese Idee in Frage
https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-basic-income-study-new-findings-work-ubi-2024-12
Neue Erkenntnisse aus Sam Altmans Grundeinkommensstudie stellen eines der Hauptargumente gegen diese Idee in Frage
https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-basic-income-study-new-findings-work-ubi-2024-12
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From the article:
New findings from OpenAI CEO [Sam Altman’s basic-income study](https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-basic-income-study-results-2024-7) found that recipients valued work more after receiving no-strings-attached recurring monthly payments, challenging a long-held argument against such programs.
Altman’s basic-income study, which published initial findings in July, was one of the largest of its kind. It gave low-income participants $1,000 a month for three years to spend however they wanted.
OpenResearch director Elizabeth Rhodes told BI that the study participants showed a „greater sense of the intrinsic value of work.“
Rhodes said researchers saw a strong belief among participants that work should be required to receive government support through programs like Medicaid or a hypothetical future universal basic income. The study did show a slight increase in unemployment among recipients, but Rhodes said that overall attitudes toward working remained the same.
„It is interesting that it is not like a change in the value of work,“ Rhodes said. „If anything, they value work more. And that is reflected. People are more likely to be searching for a job. They’re more likely to have applied for jobs.“
Average participants views: „I used it well, but I think other people wouldn’t use it well.“
JFC.
The slight increase in unemployment could be related to how awful the job market has become over the last few years tbh. People without worries about having food on the table will still want to work, because doing something gives meaning. They will just have a chance at finding something they like instead of doing whatever to survive like many of us are forced to…
UBI will help people choose their paths in this world better.
But it is only viable once we have ultra advanced robots that can take over manual labour tasks.
If I got UBI, I would become a Twitch streamer with 1 viewer and even that one viewer would be me on my phone. Bring it on!
One thing I don’t get is why we have to have special studies and funding to test this.
We already have a system up and running that is kind of a UBI program.
Can we not look to the results of people receiving veterans benefits?
Some of the best workers I’ve run into have been vets who have the supplemental income of their VA benefits.
I think a lot of it comes down to being able to tell a boss “No”. They can focus on their job and not trying to game the system to meet what ever metric management has set.
Or heck even go into a much less lucrative field, but one they have passion for.
Having that safety net allowed a few of them to start their own small businesses, which in turn allows them to employ additional people.
Are there folks who just sit around all day and play video games and endlessly scroll TikTok? Sure, but I haven’t seen that many of those folks and at the end of the day, if it ends up being cheaper than other low income programs or incarceration, isn’t that still a net benefit?
There is obscene movement of cash in many, many areas of society, look at money spent on campaigns, „for charity“ and other places that never benefit individuals, the government is elite at extracting from the taxpayers, refunding it would be a great first step.
Jobs still exist. People would rather support themselves to feel free.
Ubi will only be useful at a stop gap before everything is manufactured automatically and jobs and money become worthless
The thing is that we have no plan for AI taking jobs and everyone continues to underestimate how bad it will be or how fast this will happen.
Personally I think 40% is an underestimate: [https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/05/jobs-lost-created-ai-gpt/](https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/05/jobs-lost-created-ai-gpt/)
[https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65102150](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65102150) Also here I think 300 million is an underestimate.
I also would be very surprised if this didn’t happen in the next 10 years or so.
Luckily, we have a massive shortage of social „work“ ie: people being there for family, friends and community. Ensuring a stable income that is enough to live a humane life would enable so much good.
It will be rough at first, I expect many hundreds of millions of people to have some form of burnout and depression or similar mental health issues which makes the social work all the more important. No-one benefits from people being lonely at home staring at the TV in misery.
Good support structures will be critical.
How do folks look at all of the politics happening in Washington D.C. (let alone the rest of the world) and come to the conclusion that UBI is something they’ll actually get?
All of these findings and studies are meant for Reddit doomscrolling, since they’ll never actually take off.
You have absolutely zero chance of this getting addressed under the incoming administration. We would need to see catastrophic levels of unemployment coupled with massive demonstrations on the streets.
Have the look at the major donors in both of these articles.
[Billionaire Dick Uihlein Poured Nearly $49 Million Into Pro-Trump PAC](https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/10/16/billionaire-dick-uihlein-poured-nearly-49-million-into-pro-trump-pac-filings-show/)
[The Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban Basic Income Experiments](https://www.scottsantens.com/billionaire-fueled-lobbying-group-behind-the-state-bills-to-ban-universal-basic-income-experiments-ubi/)
>Who is Funding the FGA?
>According to the Center for Media and Democracy’s SourceWatch, the largest single donor to FGA has been the Ed Uihlein Family Foundation, with a total contribution from 2014-2021 of $17.85 million. Both in their 70s, the Uihleins (pronounced YOU-line) are a husband and wife team, Richard and Liz, worth around $5 billion.
One of the problems with these type of trials is they always seem to have an end date. 1000 per month for 3 years is ultimately 36000. 1000 per month for life is “I don’t need to worry about bills/feeding my children if I can’t work as much”. To me there is a massive psychological difference between getting money for a few years and getting money forever