Ja, ich habe mein Motorrad außerhalb des Parkplatzes geparkt, auf dem Parkplatz der Universität (wo ich arbeite). Ich behaupte nicht, dass ich recht habe, aber ist es normal, dass eine Privatperson dafür 80.- CHF verlangt? Ein „normales“ Bußgeld wäre günstiger…
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Von Makaluf
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sei glücklich mit 80.- und dass dein bike noch da Stand 🙂
https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/online-ratgeber/muss-ich-eine-private-parkbusse-bezahlen/
This is only legal if the owner of the property has a court order against parking there. In such cases, they can opt to ask for an “Umtriebsentschädigung* or alternatively sue you in court.
accordign to that site, 80.- is likely on the high end but there’s a lack of recent court decisions.
Given that the fine plus court costs would be higher, yeah you’re likely better off with this option.
Depends on the rules for that property, there’s usually a sign somewhere. Presumably, that sign authorizes them to fine you.
Such signs are usually authorized by a court order, so they do have legal force through that.
op: is it legal to fine me when i am doing something illegal?
The “normal” fine for disregarding a court-ordered no-parking sign on private property is CHF 200 and up.
The owner of the property may also charge you a processing fee for reporting you, this is likely what those CHF 80 are for.
The fine for disregarding a no-parking sign on public property is CHF 100, btw.
Try to write to them and explain that you work there. I was able to cancel two fines in a private parking near my job.
Well in bern it’s not normal, no. Private fines are not a thing, dunno if it varies from canton to canton. What a privat person can do, is get a richterliches parkverbot, which gives them the right to basically “sue” you for using the parking. Police will visit the offender and hand him the fine. But privat fines, nope don’t exist here. Dunno why so many people here claim otherwise.
It’s actually fascinating, if you don’t have that sign, your privat parking is basically a free for all zone. You have like 0 recourse, and towing them is legally iffy.
Depends on the exact wording of the court injunction, which must by the way also be easily visibly posted for you to be fined.
If for example the posted court injunction says „ausser für Mitarbeiter“, you can‘t be fined (as you work there). If it says „ausser für Besucher“ you can be fined (you‘re not a visitor). If it says „ausser für Berechtigte“ and you don‘t have anything that you could argue is a Berechtigung (e.g. parking pass, clause in job contract, some workplace rulebook/memo, mail from your boss or HR, etc.) you can‘t park there.
If it (also) says „innerhalb der Parkfelder“, they can fine you in any case if you parked outside the marked parking spaces.
If the court injunction wasn‘t visibly posted (Art. 259 ZPO „Das Verbot ist öffentlich bekannt zu machen und auf dem Grundstück an gut sichtbarer Stelle anzubringen.“), you cannot be fined. You might have a case for example, if that parking lot has multiple regular entryways and the notice is only posted at one of the entryways so that it’s not easily visible (and thus you dont know about the injunction) if you always use another entryway.
If the court injunction was not correctly posted, e.g. there is only a „no parking“ symbol sign, but it doesn‘t mention the court injunction at all, you cannot be fined.