The Israeli military’s bombing campaign in [Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza) used a previously undisclosed AI-powered database that at one stage identified 37,000 potential targets based on their apparent links to Hamas, according to intelligence sources involved in the war.
Israel’s use of powerful AI systems in its war on Hamas has entered uncharted territory for advanced warfare, raising a host of legal and moral questions, and transforming the relationship between military personnel and machines.
“This is unparalleled, in my memory,” said one intelligence officer who used Lavender, adding that they had more faith in a “statistical mechanism” than a grieving soldier. “Everyone there, including me, lost people on October 7. The machine did it coldly. And that made it easier.“
Another Lavender user questioned whether humans’ role in the selection process was meaningful. “I would invest 20 seconds for each target at this stage, and do dozens of them every day. I had zero added-value as a human, apart from being a stamp of approval. It saved a lot of time.”
Ulthanon on
„Oh sorry, members of the ICC, we didn’t *mean* to engage in genocide- the algorithm made us do it!“
-IDF Intelligence Officer #8462, cleared of all charges
Duke-of-Dogs on
Insanely dystopian and dangerous.
By using AI to make these life and death decisions they’re systematically reducing individuals (REAL men women and children all of whom go just as deep as you or I) to numbers.
Stripping the human element from war can only serve to dehumanize it and the institutions engaging in it
jezra on
„hey, when all those children were blown up, I only pulled the trigger; it was AI that chose the target“ — some war criminal probably
tismschism on
Pretty convenient how you can’t throw a computer in the Hague.
nicholsz on
Computerized slaughter… where have I heard about that before…
Hey guys, the main plot of *Captain America: The Winter Soldier* was not supposed to be inspiration.
Primorph on
Feels like the title expects you to take it on faith that those targets were, in fact, hamas
dejank0610 on
damn I didn’t know charity workers worked for Hamas
CommonSensei-_ on
… Skynet… is here. AI paired with weapons may be a Pandora’s box that can’t be closed.
This is awful.
And this is another reason why I am anti-war and favor a non- interventionist approach
Death_and_Gravity1 on
Seeing how inaccurate and shoddy AI is still, you can bet a whole bunch of innocent people were murdered with the help of these programs. A real bleak dystopia we are in
nemesis1311 on
Yup the same AI that tagged a bicycle as a RPG and blew up 2 unarmed civilians.
bigbearandy on
I mean, yeah, but a modern C4ISR system with a target selection feature that makes its choices on a Hi-Lo algorithm from the Minsky era is AI, and those are a decade old. C3I systems with stochastic search and identification features are three decades old and arguably more advanced. In warfare, it’s not so much the algorithm as it is the verification method. The Aegis system that shot down an Iraqi passenger jet full of innocent civilians wasn’t caused by its algorithms as much as it had a bad information source, a phantom track, and an overzealous commander who didn’t want to verify before he pulled the trigger. Arguably, AI would be less retributive in its motivations than a human target selector, but if its fed bad data, the input parameters and tolerances are overly permissive, or its outputs haven’t been appropriately validated before selecting a target, then its arguably no better and no worse than a person in the fog of war.
The problem with this article is that there isn’t enough information to make a judgment and it seems the leadership over relies on the intelligence this tool provides without validating its results. We can’t judge from the facts provided whether its garbage-in-garbage-out in which case why are you using AI or that nobody validated its logic in target selection at any time. I mean, its made some really bad calls.
The other side of this is economic. Russia has pioneered what some have called „sustainable warfare“ or „industrialized warfare“ which has been unopposed up until the Ukranian conflict. They’ve done that by combining old school Russian warfare tactics with a wasteful but cheap way of conducting warfare, one that pushes the limits of the Geneva conventions to the breaking point; collateral damage being just a cost of doing war that can be ignored. Israel seems to have taken the same approach here in taking the most cheapest route to eliminate targets, dumb bombs dropped on a militant’s home, regardless of who is in the building.
… I’ve seen a codebase from government defense contractor. Not sure if this thing is even unit tested, let alone moral to use to kill people. Even if it is morally okay to use (which it is not), I imagine this thing is horribly unreliable. So only thing it removes is a person’s guilt in pulling a trigger.
*“the army preferred to only use unguided missiles, commonly known as “dumb” bombs (in contrast to “smart” precision bombs), which can destroy entire buildings on top of their occupants and cause significant casualties. “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people — it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],” said C., one of the intelligence officers.”*
billyjack669 on
Next stop, „A Taste of Armageddon“ (Star Trek TOS S1e23) You were killed in action.
Step into the disintegration chamber.
truenataku1 on
There was only 30,000 Hamas at the start of the war according to the IDF.
lock_robster2022 on
Wait until people hear how they ID’d targets prior to this…
lawschoolredux on
Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning and Captain America The Winter Soldier: exist
Israel: hold ma beer
OutsidePerson5 on
Correction: Israel used AI to JUSTIFY attacking 37,000 places by claiming it was Hamas related. It’s quite clear that Israel’s targets are schools, hospitals, aid and relief agencies, journalists, and after that women and children. Any Hamas fighters who get killed are collatoral damage.
exit2dos on
The question to ask is; Why did an AI select an aid convoy as a target.
The awnser is rather simple, Hamas has been using aid trucks & ambulances (and any civilian cover) as part of their warmachine.
grafknives on
if target !=“member of IDF“
{
order=shoot to kill
}
AI my ass 😀
jaymemaurice on
“AI, we told you not to kill the humans”
“They weren’t humans, they only had 5 fingers on each hand!!”
heickelrrx on
And Biden said china AI endeavors is dangerous because they will use it for military use
Whose using one now, pfft US allies ofc
xBR0SKIx on
Thats like having AI do police work and it „coldy“ identify people for arrests just based on statistics/connections for future crimes.
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The Israeli military’s bombing campaign in [Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza) used a previously undisclosed AI-powered database that at one stage identified 37,000 potential targets based on their apparent links to Hamas, according to intelligence sources involved in the war.
Israel’s use of powerful AI systems in its war on Hamas has entered uncharted territory for advanced warfare, raising a host of legal and moral questions, and transforming the relationship between military personnel and machines.
“This is unparalleled, in my memory,” said one intelligence officer who used Lavender, adding that they had more faith in a “statistical mechanism” than a grieving soldier. “Everyone there, including me, lost people on October 7. The machine did it coldly. And that made it easier.“
Another Lavender user questioned whether humans’ role in the selection process was meaningful. “I would invest 20 seconds for each target at this stage, and do dozens of them every day. I had zero added-value as a human, apart from being a stamp of approval. It saved a lot of time.”
„Oh sorry, members of the ICC, we didn’t *mean* to engage in genocide- the algorithm made us do it!“
-IDF Intelligence Officer #8462, cleared of all charges
Insanely dystopian and dangerous.
By using AI to make these life and death decisions they’re systematically reducing individuals (REAL men women and children all of whom go just as deep as you or I) to numbers.
Stripping the human element from war can only serve to dehumanize it and the institutions engaging in it
„hey, when all those children were blown up, I only pulled the trigger; it was AI that chose the target“ — some war criminal probably
Pretty convenient how you can’t throw a computer in the Hague.
Computerized slaughter… where have I heard about that before…
oh yeah
https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/
Hey guys, the main plot of *Captain America: The Winter Soldier* was not supposed to be inspiration.
Feels like the title expects you to take it on faith that those targets were, in fact, hamas
damn I didn’t know charity workers worked for Hamas
… Skynet… is here. AI paired with weapons may be a Pandora’s box that can’t be closed.
This is awful.
And this is another reason why I am anti-war and favor a non- interventionist approach
Seeing how inaccurate and shoddy AI is still, you can bet a whole bunch of innocent people were murdered with the help of these programs. A real bleak dystopia we are in
Yup the same AI that tagged a bicycle as a RPG and blew up 2 unarmed civilians.
I mean, yeah, but a modern C4ISR system with a target selection feature that makes its choices on a Hi-Lo algorithm from the Minsky era is AI, and those are a decade old. C3I systems with stochastic search and identification features are three decades old and arguably more advanced. In warfare, it’s not so much the algorithm as it is the verification method. The Aegis system that shot down an Iraqi passenger jet full of innocent civilians wasn’t caused by its algorithms as much as it had a bad information source, a phantom track, and an overzealous commander who didn’t want to verify before he pulled the trigger. Arguably, AI would be less retributive in its motivations than a human target selector, but if its fed bad data, the input parameters and tolerances are overly permissive, or its outputs haven’t been appropriately validated before selecting a target, then its arguably no better and no worse than a person in the fog of war.
The problem with this article is that there isn’t enough information to make a judgment and it seems the leadership over relies on the intelligence this tool provides without validating its results. We can’t judge from the facts provided whether its garbage-in-garbage-out in which case why are you using AI or that nobody validated its logic in target selection at any time. I mean, its made some really bad calls.
The other side of this is economic. Russia has pioneered what some have called „sustainable warfare“ or „industrialized warfare“ which has been unopposed up until the Ukranian conflict. They’ve done that by combining old school Russian warfare tactics with a wasteful but cheap way of conducting warfare, one that pushes the limits of the Geneva conventions to the breaking point; collateral damage being just a cost of doing war that can be ignored. Israel seems to have taken the same approach here in taking the most cheapest route to eliminate targets, dumb bombs dropped on a militant’s home, regardless of who is in the building.
Setting up the parameters of their AI:
Hospital = hamas hq.
Ambulance = hamas hq.
Palestinian graveyard = hamas hq.
Palestinian child = hamas hq.
Palestinian male age 15+ = hamas terrorist.
Famine relief convoy = hamas convoy.
… I’ve seen a codebase from government defense contractor. Not sure if this thing is even unit tested, let alone moral to use to kill people. Even if it is morally okay to use (which it is not), I imagine this thing is horribly unreliable. So only thing it removes is a person’s guilt in pulling a trigger.
Fuck that’s the worst thing I’ve read in a long time. The [linked source investigation](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) is terrifying.
*“the army preferred to only use unguided missiles, commonly known as “dumb” bombs (in contrast to “smart” precision bombs), which can destroy entire buildings on top of their occupants and cause significant casualties. “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people — it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],” said C., one of the intelligence officers.”*
Next stop, „A Taste of Armageddon“ (Star Trek TOS S1e23) You were killed in action.
Step into the disintegration chamber.
There was only 30,000 Hamas at the start of the war according to the IDF.
Wait until people hear how they ID’d targets prior to this…
Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning and Captain America The Winter Soldier: exist
Israel: hold ma beer
Correction: Israel used AI to JUSTIFY attacking 37,000 places by claiming it was Hamas related. It’s quite clear that Israel’s targets are schools, hospitals, aid and relief agencies, journalists, and after that women and children. Any Hamas fighters who get killed are collatoral damage.
The question to ask is; Why did an AI select an aid convoy as a target.
The awnser is rather simple, Hamas has been using aid trucks & ambulances (and any civilian cover) as part of their warmachine.
if target !=“member of IDF“
{
order=shoot to kill
}
AI my ass 😀
“AI, we told you not to kill the humans”
“They weren’t humans, they only had 5 fingers on each hand!!”
And Biden said china AI endeavors is dangerous because they will use it for military use
Whose using one now, pfft US allies ofc
Thats like having AI do police work and it „coldy“ identify people for arrests just based on statistics/connections for future crimes.