It seems like this is more of a generational problem then financial crisis. Even this chart collapses only after 2013 – 2014.
Loki-L on
I am no sure that putting 2007 level willingness at 100 is a good move.
It allows you to see how things developed, but not absolute values.
A seeming spike in willingness to have a 5th child may in truth be a minor variation in an otherwise very flat trend.
LichtbringerU on
How does self reported „willingness“ compare to the actual amount of children they get?
clearly_quite_absurd on
In the UK young people were constantly bombarded with „don’t have kids if you can’t afford them“ messaging. Then the 2008 crash happens and tanks the economy for most people. Guess what – very few people end up having kids!
ItsTheAlgebraist on
But the willingness to consume the labour of those children through social programs, especially retirement programs, is completely undiminished.
We have a system where everyone is promised a stable retirement for 20 plus years but where no individual, regardless of capability, is actually required to make the necessary contributions towards making sure there is a healthy next generation to deliver on those promises.
It is obvious that the system is going to continue to burden young people until the point where they just cancel the deal entirely and we are back to familial lines for supporting the elderly.
jcchg on
Now show a graph of iPhone sales from 2007 until today. Sales have only flattened post-2023, even after becoming a lot more expensive than before.
rifleshooter on
Oh great, a „things are bad“ chart with no relationship to the premise. Must be a day that ends in …day.
Weep4Thee on
Oh yeah. Ppl used to have kids and get married and all that jazz. I remember now.
SexReflex on
Yea there’s no way in hell I’m having my first child any time soon. Screw that. Thankfully my partner is of the same mindset.
qneonkitty on
Kids are an expensive, relentless, full time job. Some people decide that’s what they want or don’t plan well enough to prevent it. Personally I find no part of it appealing. Pregnancy is painful, disruptive, and risky, Providing care 24/365 for years is exhausting and expensive. I think it’s a good thing if more people are actually considering whether they truly want and can afford kids before reproducing.
FUThead2016 on
Obviously, why would people want to keep birthing wage slaves for the capitalist machine. It’s the last thing we can control before they go full handmaid’s tale on us
Junkstar on
Republicans can’t make up their minds. They say they want more babies born, but they destroy the economy, undermine healthcare, ruin education, are anti science, and on and on. Why would people want to bring babies into this shithole?
FaithlessnessWest957 on
I couldn’t afford to even if I actually wanted to.
Melvolicious on
Probably not an accident that the sharpest drop too place when a certain someone was in office and ended when he left.
Mc_saucer on
Since feminism * is what the article meant
TheBoraxKid1trblz on
I can’t earn a quality life for myself, wouldn’t bring children into a shit life
daishi777 on
I’m not sure I agree that it’s only the financial crisis
gusofk on
What is this brand affiliate post garbage?
Dementor_Traphouse on
“financial crisis” 😹😹😹 august unemployment was at 4.1%, the fed’s may financial stability report said banks remained sound and resilient (with historically high capital ratios), and real gdp grew at a 1.5% in q2 of this year
MYQkb on
Also, considering we as a nation do not take care of our people.
Less children being born means less future homeless, it means less future incarcerated people.
It means less people born into a broken system where they will be abused.
Let’s try to make the system better not keep feeding it.
DrDerpberg on
Isn’t a lot of this because teen pregnancy is way down in so many places?
Anecdotally the 2008 crash led to the gig economy, and even now pushing 40 my wife is on year to year contracts that make having a second kid nearly impossible. But I’ve also seen tons of data on how people have kids pretty independently of if they can afford them, so I don’t know if that’s a major factor or if decently well-off people are really holding off kids because of the cost of childcare.
collin-h on
what’s the willingness to skip the first child and go straight to having the second one?
Alklazaris on
Country actively makes it more difficult for me once I have a child. So I’m not going to support this country by having a job since it won’t support me.
Eternally_Blue on
We had our kid and decided to be OAD when Obama was in office. Things were optimistic and going well but parenting is hard. I can’t imagine adding a child to this timeline.
DryRelationship1330 on
Remove the ’since the fin crisis‘. Nothing to do with fertility/coupling/child rearing. Many global studies have found little correlation.
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It seems like this is more of a generational problem then financial crisis. Even this chart collapses only after 2013 – 2014.
I am no sure that putting 2007 level willingness at 100 is a good move.
It allows you to see how things developed, but not absolute values.
A seeming spike in willingness to have a 5th child may in truth be a minor variation in an otherwise very flat trend.
How does self reported „willingness“ compare to the actual amount of children they get?
In the UK young people were constantly bombarded with „don’t have kids if you can’t afford them“ messaging. Then the 2008 crash happens and tanks the economy for most people. Guess what – very few people end up having kids!
But the willingness to consume the labour of those children through social programs, especially retirement programs, is completely undiminished.
We have a system where everyone is promised a stable retirement for 20 plus years but where no individual, regardless of capability, is actually required to make the necessary contributions towards making sure there is a healthy next generation to deliver on those promises.
It is obvious that the system is going to continue to burden young people until the point where they just cancel the deal entirely and we are back to familial lines for supporting the elderly.
Now show a graph of iPhone sales from 2007 until today. Sales have only flattened post-2023, even after becoming a lot more expensive than before.
Oh great, a „things are bad“ chart with no relationship to the premise. Must be a day that ends in …day.
Oh yeah. Ppl used to have kids and get married and all that jazz. I remember now.
Yea there’s no way in hell I’m having my first child any time soon. Screw that. Thankfully my partner is of the same mindset.
Kids are an expensive, relentless, full time job. Some people decide that’s what they want or don’t plan well enough to prevent it. Personally I find no part of it appealing. Pregnancy is painful, disruptive, and risky, Providing care 24/365 for years is exhausting and expensive. I think it’s a good thing if more people are actually considering whether they truly want and can afford kids before reproducing.
Obviously, why would people want to keep birthing wage slaves for the capitalist machine. It’s the last thing we can control before they go full handmaid’s tale on us
Republicans can’t make up their minds. They say they want more babies born, but they destroy the economy, undermine healthcare, ruin education, are anti science, and on and on. Why would people want to bring babies into this shithole?
I couldn’t afford to even if I actually wanted to.
Probably not an accident that the sharpest drop too place when a certain someone was in office and ended when he left.
Since feminism * is what the article meant
I can’t earn a quality life for myself, wouldn’t bring children into a shit life
I’m not sure I agree that it’s only the financial crisis
What is this brand affiliate post garbage?
“financial crisis” 😹😹😹 august unemployment was at 4.1%, the fed’s may financial stability report said banks remained sound and resilient (with historically high capital ratios), and real gdp grew at a 1.5% in q2 of this year
Also, considering we as a nation do not take care of our people.
Less children being born means less future homeless, it means less future incarcerated people.
It means less people born into a broken system where they will be abused.
Let’s try to make the system better not keep feeding it.
Isn’t a lot of this because teen pregnancy is way down in so many places?
Anecdotally the 2008 crash led to the gig economy, and even now pushing 40 my wife is on year to year contracts that make having a second kid nearly impossible. But I’ve also seen tons of data on how people have kids pretty independently of if they can afford them, so I don’t know if that’s a major factor or if decently well-off people are really holding off kids because of the cost of childcare.
what’s the willingness to skip the first child and go straight to having the second one?
Country actively makes it more difficult for me once I have a child. So I’m not going to support this country by having a job since it won’t support me.
We had our kid and decided to be OAD when Obama was in office. Things were optimistic and going well but parenting is hard. I can’t imagine adding a child to this timeline.
Remove the ’since the fin crisis‘. Nothing to do with fertility/coupling/child rearing. Many global studies have found little correlation.