„Vielleicht packe ich meine Koffer“: Wie Einwanderer Irlands neue Staatsbürgerschaftsregeln sehen
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2026/09/22/i-might-pack-my-bags-new-citizenship-rules-draw-further-criticism-and-dismay/
Von PistolAndRapier
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Bye felicia.
ireland isnt doing anything that most other countries in Europe have done. try going to the UK, the time is shorter right now but fuck me its expensive. Cost me 70k for my wife and i with visas and citizenship.
So sorry that you have to work for it now.
Three more years is not ‚too long‘ if you are planning to settle in a country
If people are leaving the country over it doesn’t it prove a load of these people are here just for the passport opportunities? Good luck to them.
Scenarios like this should always have considerations for those who are within reach of citizenship given they have committed nearly 5 years to a plan.
That was always allowed
Rules are always subject to change. If you’re planning on living here long term and not just using it to live somewhere else in Europe I don’t see the issue.
I have no issues with most of the new conditions except for the increase to 8 years. It’s a massive own goal. ‚Bringing us in line with other EU countries‘.has taken away our competitive advantage. If we want to attract skilled migrants, they need to be assured that they can settle down here and set up a life for themselves. We’ve voluntarily put ourselves in competition with other countries, 5 years was long enough.
Popcorn.
But if an extra 3 years waiting is whats making ye pack your bags, then ye dont actually care about Ireland as a country and a society, and ye just want a fairly powerful passport. Good riddance, if this is you and tell all your mates not to bother either.
I saw a comment the other day where someone was lambasting someone else because apparently agreeing with changing our citizenship requirements, in order to tackle the issues we currently face….. is racist. Both extremes are funding and fuelling both extremes. The actual issues are ignored. Out citizenship requirements were comparitvely lax when other countries ,who have massive populations in *this* country, are the comparison.
But yeah. MichaelJacksonPopcorn.gif
Yes, Ireland is an undoubtedly expensive country to live in, the foreign immigrant workers may feel that they get limited return on their investment. It is just as well that there are many other countries where people can immigrate. That’s the beauty of free will.
It takea 12 years to become an Indian citizen
I’m in not dis-similar situation – been here 7 years (but hold AUS citizenship – so in many ways a very very different situation).
1 – anyone who wants certainty in immigration rules should get their head checked – sorry but the rules can change any moment and you have to deal with it.
2 – the fact citizenship in Ireland doesn’t have a civics exam (or language) is wild to me (but then again I grew up in a country with a different approach to citizenship – so I’ve probably been conditioned to believe it’s normal)
3 – the weird “should have gone to Germany” view IMHO says it all and makes me question whether they truly want to stay in Ireland and why they are seeking citizenship (though I have sympathy for those with a Russian passport who detest the regime)
What people do not realize is that Ireland is infact not a 5 year but a 7 year wait already, because it takes up to 2 years for actually getting the passport. It will now be 10 years wait.
Also, most of the people who will leave because of this change are not the people who are freeloading on the system. To them this makes no difference because they are here to freeload. This is going to affect doctors, accountants and engineers. People who pay above average taxes with fewer social benefits, people who plan ahead and will commit to a certain time in Ireland. These people will feel betrayed by the goal posts shifting after making a commitment to the Country.
They’re proving the point of it. If they’re leaving over a couple of years wait then they’re not here for a love of our country or its people but rather just the passport.
Sadly nesscsary, due to the influence population growth, but could it been handled better with the reduction takeing in IPAS clients (were 40% of them receive positive decision stay in the country, go into the homeless register list and recent stats show how much they are depending on social housing in DCC area). If that was handled earlier would have we been able to maybe sustain haveing immigrants (GE permits or critical skills permits)come in that are willing to sustain more over all?
Was recently asked by someone who is currently applying for their citizenship the following questions:
1) “what is the name of the Irish parliament? House of commons?”
2) “is there a caste system here?”
So no, I don’t think just living here 5 years is necessarily enough to make sure you fit into Irish society
We don’t even have our language and generally looked as a job location first with not much knowledge on the society, it understandable we need laws that make sure people are integrated when getting citizenship
– 20 years ago, a foriegner was a small fish in a big pool of a younger working age Irish ratio-ed population , often from an EU state with some knowledge of Ireland to an extent
– Now, a foriegner is a pool of similiar migrate workers , same job teams , same flat share, same people at social events, a lot from farther afield where Ireland isn’t really a thing bar a corporate landing strip for jobs (sorry we aren’t that famous as we think)
Result, you want to intergrate, it can be a pain. I’m often the first local friend of people here 2-3 years which is sad. Then, for people not wanting to intergrate, (we are an EU passport layover country or a job market country for some), Jesus couldn’t be easier
So yea, our new rules are very average by European standards, don’t get the fuss. Sure there’s some tweaks and the fact bloodline citizenship for plastic paddies is still allowed , but it a step to incentivising intergation and common understanding
It’s not too much to ask for, ensuring you learn the primary language of the country you’ve emigrated to up to a good standard and have a strong awareness of their culture and identity. It would also mean less individuals residing in the State that don’t have a word of English and rely on interpreters in court.
Cya
We cannot support immigrants over our own. The housing crisis is a major problem for Irish citizens. In an ideal world,we could support a portion of refugees but sadly the influx of existential and uncontrollable world politics we have took on more than we can support.
To be honest, I am ambivalent about increasing the timeframe, but they should have allowed existing immigrants to apply for citizenship after completing 5 years, at least for the next one or 2 years. it feels unfair to them.
I’m an immigrant (US) and I welcome the change. If people really want to live here, waiting a little longer for citizenship is a non-issue. You just need to renew the card a few more times and not be a piece of shit.
Slán go fóill
They’re proving the point of it. If they’re leaving over a couple of years wait then they are no great loss.
Good, if they’re not invested in the country, they’re not welcome
Il translate:
I actually don’t even like Ireland, I just need to game the system long enough so I can get a passport, then I can move to a country I actually like.
>Maryam Umer, a 33-year-old from Kashmir, a disputed region claimed by India and Pakistan, initially came to Dublin to study for a master’s degree in law in 2021.
>Umer, who works for the Immigrant Council of Ireland as a legal information and case officer, says its helpline has seen “so many calls” from people “panicking” over the changes.
>She is also one year away from completing her five years.
>Noting the bureaucratic and financial “burden” that comes with living in the Republic without citizenship, such as residence permit renewals and visas for travel, she says: “At this point, if they change this reckonable residence and if they change the policy around it, I might pack my bags and leave the country.”
I think it’s reasonable to understand her frustrations tbh
I love how entitled these people are. Irish citizenship has been given out like candy the last few years. Great to see these laws coming in and it help prevent the issues our eu neighbours have come across.
Good, they were going to leave anyway once they got an Irish passport
I don’t mind waiting 8 years and getting tested myself (been here 10 but issues with paperwork for stupid reasons- living with my parents – going to full time uni and kept my old bank account because free and member benefits…) but can we like auto citizenship kids that did all their elementary years here with obvs attendance 😅 or after junior cert? i recon they are at that point Irish enough right?
I am an immigrant who got citizenship 3 years ago. I would have been cool with all these changes. But, I moved here to be with my Irish spouse so my visa wasn’t tied to an employer. I have worked in environments where immigrants are being sponsored by the employer, and it’s quite obvious that visa workers are being taken advantage of and are more afraid to push back on unfair work practices. Reading this thread, that also seems to be the primary complaint of a lot of people going through the process. I feel stronger workplace regulations, enforcement, support, and education might be a better route to go down. If people had more flexibility to leave or push back in toxic workplaces then the additional timeline to the citizenship process probably wouldn’t seem as bad.
I support reform in principle and agree that anyone reconsidering their choices over the changes probably didn’t intend to stay anyways.
I do take issue with restricting citizenship for spouses of Irish citizens though. 3 years residency plus family ties already shows a clear commitment to the State, and is in line with our neighbours. We should reward returning families, not deter them.
Happy to share the petition link if anyone else would like to oppose this part of the proposal. And email to an elected representative wouldn’t go amiss either.
This article is ragebait.
Surely those ones that want citizenship to just pack up and move to the UK or EU are only following in the footsteps of the earlier post of 7 out of 10 young ones wanting to leave Ireland 🤣 /s
I agree it should be harder, specifically integration (language) and cultural tests are required. However I’d push for an overhaul of the citizenship by birth laws. I have nieces and nephews in Australia who have never, or will never set foot in Ireland and can get a passport tomorrow because of their grand parents (my parents).
I can’t see why they should get a free pass, while someone living, working, contributing taxes and being a member of the community here for 5 years has to keep waiting.
If the increase from five years to eight years to get citizenship/passport and that makes you want to pack your bags then maybe you were just using Ireland to get an EU passport because if they truly wanted to stay in Ireland, an extra three years wouldn’t mean anything because they had no plan on leaving.
Ireland is finally getting it’s laws in line with other EU states and that’s a good thing. Being able to support yourself and speak the language, nothing wrong there.
How would you be able to integrate if you can’t communicate with others?
my missus is French, we’ve talked about moving to France and she basically said look if you are relying on French people to all speak English and accommodate you that won’t happen. I don’t see a problem with that and if we do move it’ll be with the intent that I can speak the language or am in the midst of learning it.
I’ve honestly no idea what the issue is with these new standards, if you move to a country it’s on you to be able to assimilate culturally and linguistically.
Good. 8 years is still too short anyway. Should be looking at 10 years minimum, plus no welfare or convictions.
So many times I see such unintelligent responses that I am surprised that these peopel live in the same country as me. Wow!
Had to laught at
>the State will lose “valuable talent and find it much harder to recruit skilled professionals”
We already have people struggling to get jobs in many sectors, esp IT which 2 in the article are. Plus we’re seeing fewer new positions opening as „AI can do the job of a team“.
The critical skills visa occupation list could do with a review & update: https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/what-we-do/workplace-and-skills/economic-migration-policy/occupations-lists-and-reviews/csol.html
Every Indian (a good chunk of my friends, speaking as an EU immigrant) I know has been lovely. However none of them came here because they like Ireland. Not a single person knew about Irish culture before coming here or is interested in learning it now. They came here for the opportunity to get out of India and Ireland provided the easiest path, especially to get an EU passport.
Now is that a bad thing? That’s up to interpretation. Economically? Probably not. Socially? Maybe. Culturally? Probably.
Oh no please don’t.
Ok then that was always allowed
„If Ireland had required eight years, I would have chosen Germany.“
Fuck off, so? Treating citizenship like something to be shopped around for convenience. If you’re so disinterested in Ireland then piss off back to Russia.
I think someone choosing a new home and putting down roots and becoming a citizen is beautiful and to be encouraged. This entitled passport shopping is galling.
Don’t let the door hit you .
If you can’t be here for genuine reasons then go somewhere else where you are also not wanted.