How do you even do elevators in countries that do both systems at the same time? „sir the reception is on floor 7/8“
gham89 on
This reminds me; I was in a lift (elevator) with an American woman in a London Hotel. She asked me if the reception was on the ground floor, then got off at 1 looking wildly confused. She was clearly too embarrassed to ask again and I didn’t realise what had happened until the doors closed and we continued down.
adawkin on
Yup, in Polish the ‚floor zero‘ on street level even has it own word, *parter*, which I imagine is a fancy word borrowed from French.
FerroFusion on
I think Brazil is both as well:
We use „1º piso“ for street level and „1º andar“ for one level up.
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Vladimir_Djorjdevic on
In Serbia it’s sometimes 2 levels up, though one level up is much more common
legardeur2 on
The « one level up » countries don’t count floors, they count storeys. *Le premier* in France, for example is not the first floor but the first storey. What is physically the first floor is not designated as such : it’s called *le rez-de-chaussée*.
CeterumCenseo85 on
In Germany it makes sense when you consider the words we use.
The street level is the „(Erd-)**geschoss**“, while everything built above it is a „**Stock**“.
So the „First Stock“ is the first thing built on top, the „Second Stock“ is the second thing built on top. They are considered two different things, semantically, and are as such counted among themselves.
Technically you can also count just by „Geschoss“, as they apparently do in construction. In that nomenclature, you do actually start with 1 on street level, then go to 2, then 3 etc. In order to make that clear, they add an „Upper“ or „Lower“ in front, to make it clear which way you are counting. The „First Upper Floor“ is one above street level.
Honestly, this is one of the rare things where the American system is more intuitive.
sid_raj7 on
How do the street level people handle sub terranian floors?
For us it’s 0 as ground then -1, -2.
Viderberg on
Yeah it can get confusing sometimes
– A swede
Urogallo40 on
In many buildings of Spain cities built in the 20th century, there is another floor between ground level and 1st floor. Sometimes it is used for commercial purposes („Entresuelo“) and others for the „Principal“ (Main) floor, which was the most expensive one at that time, due to the lack of elevator or the low confidence on it.
Athrynne on
In the building I live in (US) the ground floor is listed as L, and the 1st floor button takes you down half a level to the mailroom/garage entrance. It’s extremely confusing when you first move in!
Edit: a couple of words
dhkendall on
Quebec uses the European method it seems.
Le_Kube on
Not true in Québec. It can be both, actually 😆.
DJ_Beardsquirt on
Okay, this is totally wrong for Malaysia. The Malaysian system is very simple and works like this:
– LG: Street Level
– LG2: Possibly Street Level, possibly not.
– M: Mezzanine
– G: First floor
– 1: 2nd floor
– 2: 3rd Floor
– C: Concourse
– 3: Fourth Floor
– 3A: Fifth floor (the number 4 is not used because in Chinese it has the same sound as ‚death‘)
– 5: 6th Floor
– 6… And so on…
gholt417 on
I always thought that it was just the Brits, Irish and French that had the first floor above the ground floor. Who knew? I guess everyone.
Remarkable_Fun7662 on
Piso Zerero, por favor.
JetHawklol998212 on
For some reason first floors are sometimes below ground level
I live in the first floor of my apartment building and its below street level and my window is higher😭✌️
flafmg_ on
Brazil uses both systems!
sqeeezy on
Sweden, hedging their bets, a relic of the old driving on the left system.
crazy_rocker78 on
Countries where both systems coexist must be quite confusing
haydar_ai on
Indonesia is wrong, we use first floor as the street level
QueenAvril on
Finland is actually a mixed bag. For the most part it follows the logic that if the street level does actually have apartments in it, it will be labeled as 1., but if it only has the entrance hall and some shared spaces or maintenance rooms, it’ll be labeled as 0 and referred to as ”pohjakerros” (=ground floor), but sometimes there are confusing exceptions.
PhoenixMapper on
We use both systems in India depending on the region!
Based on everyday usage rather than lift labels or building codes, so if your country looks wrong, tell me what people normally call the street-level floor and I’ll fix it.
Taavi00 on
Estonian uses street level system in the vast majority of cases but there are a few commercial or public buildings with floor 0 as well.
0fox2gv on
The popular split-level house design here in the US has had me perpetually perplexed.
Walk in.. to be greeted by stairs going both up — and down — to a living area.
The only thing at ground level is an entry.. Is it a finished basement? Is the next level up the first level? Or the second?
A basement with functional windows that open at the top of the walls? What?!
Some questions simply have no answers.
ywaltjs on
lowkey neatly split geographically
Ok-Difference1341 on
In sweden we even have a ”-1”
Zealousideal_Bill_86 on
It’s pretty interesting how the world is split on this.
This is also one of those things where I can see how both make sense.
jatawis on
As a Lithuanian I feel weird when our floor numbering system is called ‚American‘ in contrast to ‚European‘.
kris1sAverted_ on
as a venezuelan living in argentina, i think it’s a really stupid system i hate it a lot, not only because it’s counterintuitive, and i get confused, but OTHER PEOPLE GET CONFUSED AS WELL, so you can never be fully sure what people mean by first floor, from my experience
MasterSmileGer_1 on
First Floor
Ground Floor
Underground Floor
Strong_Essay1176 on
China: hold up
BogdanPradatu on
0 vs 1 indexed areays.
klauwaapje on
In the Netherlands in late medieval times, most houses just had a ground floor and an attic. The attic was to low to live in , so they lowered the attic floor / ground level ceiling to create more head space on the attic. They called that verdiepen, deepen in English.
That word stuck and now we call a floor , a verdieping ( a lowerd floor). So first verdieping / lowered floor, second verdieping etc.
Sure-Recognition-262 on
I wonder ***how and why*** North America came to be different from most of Europe.
Was it that floor numbering wasn’t really a thing prior to the invention of the lift (elevator), so developed independently on the two sides of the Atlantic?
Was it that floor numbering was a mix of both systems in Europe at the time that the USA and Canada came into being, and then over time Europe settled on one of the two and NA on the other?
Or was it some other reason.
Captain21423 on
The rest the world can’t count?
miaou333 on
i live in france, first floor is well one level up „rez-de-chaussée“ (RDC) is ground level and for some reason in my highschool, we have „rez-de-jardin“ (RDJ) which is only used as the lower level when two levels are ground level
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How do you even do elevators in countries that do both systems at the same time? „sir the reception is on floor 7/8“
This reminds me; I was in a lift (elevator) with an American woman in a London Hotel. She asked me if the reception was on the ground floor, then got off at 1 looking wildly confused. She was clearly too embarrassed to ask again and I didn’t realise what had happened until the doors closed and we continued down.
Yup, in Polish the ‚floor zero‘ on street level even has it own word, *parter*, which I imagine is a fancy word borrowed from French.
I think Brazil is both as well:
We use „1º piso“ for street level and „1º andar“ for one level up.
[deleted]
In Serbia it’s sometimes 2 levels up, though one level up is much more common
The « one level up » countries don’t count floors, they count storeys. *Le premier* in France, for example is not the first floor but the first storey. What is physically the first floor is not designated as such : it’s called *le rez-de-chaussée*.
In Germany it makes sense when you consider the words we use.
The street level is the „(Erd-)**geschoss**“, while everything built above it is a „**Stock**“.
So the „First Stock“ is the first thing built on top, the „Second Stock“ is the second thing built on top. They are considered two different things, semantically, and are as such counted among themselves.
Technically you can also count just by „Geschoss“, as they apparently do in construction. In that nomenclature, you do actually start with 1 on street level, then go to 2, then 3 etc. In order to make that clear, they add an „Upper“ or „Lower“ in front, to make it clear which way you are counting. The „First Upper Floor“ is one above street level.
Honestly, this is one of the rare things where the American system is more intuitive.
How do the street level people handle sub terranian floors?
For us it’s 0 as ground then -1, -2.
Yeah it can get confusing sometimes
– A swede
In many buildings of Spain cities built in the 20th century, there is another floor between ground level and 1st floor. Sometimes it is used for commercial purposes („Entresuelo“) and others for the „Principal“ (Main) floor, which was the most expensive one at that time, due to the lack of elevator or the low confidence on it.
In the building I live in (US) the ground floor is listed as L, and the 1st floor button takes you down half a level to the mailroom/garage entrance. It’s extremely confusing when you first move in!
Edit: a couple of words
Quebec uses the European method it seems.
Not true in Québec. It can be both, actually 😆.
Okay, this is totally wrong for Malaysia. The Malaysian system is very simple and works like this:
– LG: Street Level
– LG2: Possibly Street Level, possibly not.
– M: Mezzanine
– G: First floor
– 1: 2nd floor
– 2: 3rd Floor
– C: Concourse
– 3: Fourth Floor
– 3A: Fifth floor (the number 4 is not used because in Chinese it has the same sound as ‚death‘)
– 5: 6th Floor
– 6… And so on…
I always thought that it was just the Brits, Irish and French that had the first floor above the ground floor. Who knew? I guess everyone.
Piso Zerero, por favor.
For some reason first floors are sometimes below ground level
I live in the first floor of my apartment building and its below street level and my window is higher😭✌️
Brazil uses both systems!
Sweden, hedging their bets, a relic of the old driving on the left system.
Countries where both systems coexist must be quite confusing
Indonesia is wrong, we use first floor as the street level
Finland is actually a mixed bag. For the most part it follows the logic that if the street level does actually have apartments in it, it will be labeled as 1., but if it only has the entrance hall and some shared spaces or maintenance rooms, it’ll be labeled as 0 and referred to as ”pohjakerros” (=ground floor), but sometimes there are confusing exceptions.
We use both systems in India depending on the region!
All sources, country by country: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Oi8p7NStVEkL4QFhH8cL1ejpz_F888DlGXEQSGeYY6s/edit?usp=sharing
Based on everyday usage rather than lift labels or building codes, so if your country looks wrong, tell me what people normally call the street-level floor and I’ll fix it.
Estonian uses street level system in the vast majority of cases but there are a few commercial or public buildings with floor 0 as well.
The popular split-level house design here in the US has had me perpetually perplexed.
Walk in.. to be greeted by stairs going both up — and down — to a living area.
The only thing at ground level is an entry.. Is it a finished basement? Is the next level up the first level? Or the second?
A basement with functional windows that open at the top of the walls? What?!
Some questions simply have no answers.
lowkey neatly split geographically
In sweden we even have a ”-1”
It’s pretty interesting how the world is split on this.
This is also one of those things where I can see how both make sense.
As a Lithuanian I feel weird when our floor numbering system is called ‚American‘ in contrast to ‚European‘.
as a venezuelan living in argentina, i think it’s a really stupid system i hate it a lot, not only because it’s counterintuitive, and i get confused, but OTHER PEOPLE GET CONFUSED AS WELL, so you can never be fully sure what people mean by first floor, from my experience
First Floor
Ground Floor
Underground Floor
China: hold up
0 vs 1 indexed areays.
In the Netherlands in late medieval times, most houses just had a ground floor and an attic. The attic was to low to live in , so they lowered the attic floor / ground level ceiling to create more head space on the attic. They called that verdiepen, deepen in English.
That word stuck and now we call a floor , a verdieping ( a lowerd floor). So first verdieping / lowered floor, second verdieping etc.
I wonder ***how and why*** North America came to be different from most of Europe.
Was it that floor numbering wasn’t really a thing prior to the invention of the lift (elevator), so developed independently on the two sides of the Atlantic?
Was it that floor numbering was a mix of both systems in Europe at the time that the USA and Canada came into being, and then over time Europe settled on one of the two and NA on the other?
Or was it some other reason.
The rest the world can’t count?
i live in france, first floor is well one level up „rez-de-chaussée“ (RDC) is ground level and for some reason in my highschool, we have „rez-de-jardin“ (RDJ) which is only used as the lower level when two levels are ground level