I swear all the insurance companies in the world have redoubled their deny/defend/depose efforts after their CEO was shot.
Interesting-Log-9627 on
Obvious question – is this meaningfully different than their previous performance?
PluginAlong on
Is it really an error though?
BeMancini on
“No, you give us the money. We don’t pay for things, you just give it. This is the investor’s money now.”
AvailableReporter484 on
Only in America could you be a billion dollar industry and provide no actual value or use to its customers.
Thank fucking Christ almighty conservatives are here to tell us this system is somehow better than single payer.
wrxninja on
You hear that, Brian Thompson?
Oh wait.
I’ll wait for the UH bots to downvote me.
Mountain_rage on
Just as the founding fathers demanded right federalists? They are required to do everything in their power to maximize profits?
Orzorn on
A 90% „error rate“ is just a feature.
Red_Eye_Insomniac on
„we can kill whoever we want.“
– United healthcare.
BookishFookfest on
We need to use AI to start sending appeals back. In mass. Reverse uno them with their own slop. Fight back.
Madam_Mimm_13 on
MEDICAID FOR ALL.
Sudden_Visual723 on
I was told that universal health care would result in “death panels”
uncleputts on
This article is from 2023 before the CEO’s departure.
Tex-Rob on
It’s the same thing insurers realized for a period, I think it was Allstate, that they could just deny it all and then only pay if taken to court. Allstate did this too heavy handed, and caught slapped, but that was the only real issue. UHC has realized that they can just say „new tech, sorry“ and absolve themselves of blame. They know a lot of people will die waiting for resolution, and that saves them money.
vrxz on
Older folks need to avoid Medicare Advantage plans like the plague. It’s just an added middleman of private insurance companies that are incentivized to restrict care, drown you in paperwork, and deny claims to make profit.
They will lure people who don’t know better with lower monthly costs and free gym memberships. Then restrict their access to doctors in-network, inflate diagnosis codes to get more reimbursement from the government, and deny claims to pocket the difference.
xangbar on
You say error, they say success
VoopityScoop on
Pay hundreds of dollars every month for years for healthcare, ask the insurance company if you can use some of that money now, they say „nah“ without ever having a human look at it, then charge you more for asking. What the fuck? What’s the point? How is this better than a tax increase and NO health insurance payments? It’s not cheaper, it’s not faster, it’s not more efficient. What’s the point?
chrispy_t on
I’m sorry but this headline is dog shit. It’s not a 90% error rate. It’s that 90% of appeals were accepted. That is fundamentally not the same claim. The article even states that there aren’t that many appeals? This is the survivorship bias plane meme.
TheRatingsAgency on
They’d say that is a 90% success rate.
Avoidtolls on
Tax billionaires, get universal healthcare.
Next problem.
PistolCowboy on
I bet if it was approving everything they would have pulled the plug quickly.
DDayDawg on
I just wonder in which direction it errors? My guess is that this isn’t an error at all.
Unless they are paying massive fines for it, it’s not an error, it’s a feature.
Tall_Category_304 on
90% error rate? Even random should be 50/50 over a large binary dataset.
motorboat_mcgee on
Rather it’s a 10% error rate to accept care.
SweaterJaguars3034 on
United Healthcare has killed far more people than the alleged assassin. That entire board and executive team should be in jail for killing people
QueenOfQuok on
Ah, but you see, they don’t consider the denial of coverage to be an error.
4dxn on
Insurance using AI to deny claims. Hospitals using AI to write claims so they won’t get denied.
At some point, it’ll just be AI making decisions on patient health.
gramathy on
„error“ rate
adumblittlebaby on
It’s crazy to me that companies are allowed to take your money under false pretenses, then actively fight providing what they promise, and it’s not a crime. Like it’s some kind of paperwork error and nobody is ‚really to blame‘.
I’ll vote for the first party that promises to give corporate laws teeth and, first and foremost, go assign the executive class liability for ANY wrongdoing in a corporation. You can’t get paid top dollar, say it’s because ‚you’re responsible for everything‘, but as soon as something goes wrong point to a lower level employee and say you simply didn’t know about it. If you didn’t, that’s the crime. That’s your job. Ignorance should never, ever be a defense.
trexmaster8242 on
Guys it’s not their fault it’s their ai so don’t get mad at them! Totally not what they want!
Mokseong on
Working as intended then.
marqoose on
This article is 3 years old.
CarpeNivem on
If Americans wanted healthcare – that is to say, not insurance, but *care* – then they would vote for what almost every other industrialized country on Earth has, but alas, they do not, and their *very consistent voting record* proves this. They would rather fork money hand over first into yachts for health insurance CEOs. That is *observably* true. Actions speak louder than words.
And to that end, it seems like the AI here is working perfectly.
dnuohxof-2 on
I know a guy. His name rhymes with Lou Weedgie.
HotFartore on
In America paying Healthcare is like dumping money 💰 in a trash 🗑 can, when you need it, the answer is, nope, you don’t qualify.
An embarrassment for America 🇺🇸
Fraegtgaortd on
UnitedHealth would tell you the error is that it’s still not denying enough claims
SliC3dTuRd on
I work closely with UHC. From what I can tell they have quotas for approvals and denials.
_ilovetofu_ on
Seems like they need a change in management if you know what I mean
littlemaninblack on
Oh those are not errors
hunsuckercommando on
“Error rate” is too generic. Depending on your perspective, false positives may be preferential to false negatives.
If I’m a patient, I probably prefer false positives because I prefer being diagnosed with cancer to find out through later tests I’m actual cancer free. From the insurance perspective, false negatives are preferable because false positives will “waste” a lot more money on treating someone who isn’t actually sick.
“Specificity” vs “Sensitivity” are possible ways to measure the differences.
Tasty_Cry_3844 on
Do I dare ask which cheap as fuck model they’re using?
rbush82 on
Looks like they didn’t learn their lesson
Own_Investigator5104 on
I guess they forgot already
LiamJamIsMyNeesons on
They learned nothing. We’re gonna need the entire Nintendo cast for the next lesson
nenmayk on
parasites , preying on peoples misery
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I swear all the insurance companies in the world have redoubled their deny/defend/depose efforts after their CEO was shot.
Obvious question – is this meaningfully different than their previous performance?
Is it really an error though?
“No, you give us the money. We don’t pay for things, you just give it. This is the investor’s money now.”
Only in America could you be a billion dollar industry and provide no actual value or use to its customers.
Thank fucking Christ almighty conservatives are here to tell us this system is somehow better than single payer.
You hear that, Brian Thompson?
Oh wait.
I’ll wait for the UH bots to downvote me.
Just as the founding fathers demanded right federalists? They are required to do everything in their power to maximize profits?
A 90% „error rate“ is just a feature.
„we can kill whoever we want.“
– United healthcare.
We need to use AI to start sending appeals back. In mass. Reverse uno them with their own slop. Fight back.
MEDICAID FOR ALL.
I was told that universal health care would result in “death panels”
This article is from 2023 before the CEO’s departure.
It’s the same thing insurers realized for a period, I think it was Allstate, that they could just deny it all and then only pay if taken to court. Allstate did this too heavy handed, and caught slapped, but that was the only real issue. UHC has realized that they can just say „new tech, sorry“ and absolve themselves of blame. They know a lot of people will die waiting for resolution, and that saves them money.
Older folks need to avoid Medicare Advantage plans like the plague. It’s just an added middleman of private insurance companies that are incentivized to restrict care, drown you in paperwork, and deny claims to make profit.
They will lure people who don’t know better with lower monthly costs and free gym memberships. Then restrict their access to doctors in-network, inflate diagnosis codes to get more reimbursement from the government, and deny claims to pocket the difference.
You say error, they say success
Pay hundreds of dollars every month for years for healthcare, ask the insurance company if you can use some of that money now, they say „nah“ without ever having a human look at it, then charge you more for asking. What the fuck? What’s the point? How is this better than a tax increase and NO health insurance payments? It’s not cheaper, it’s not faster, it’s not more efficient. What’s the point?
I’m sorry but this headline is dog shit. It’s not a 90% error rate. It’s that 90% of appeals were accepted. That is fundamentally not the same claim. The article even states that there aren’t that many appeals? This is the survivorship bias plane meme.
They’d say that is a 90% success rate.
Tax billionaires, get universal healthcare.
Next problem.
I bet if it was approving everything they would have pulled the plug quickly.
I just wonder in which direction it errors? My guess is that this isn’t an error at all.
[United Health](https://youtu.be/J_swGiAHhbQ?is=75Esa4l4vIHF_i3J)
Oh no, mama mia!
Unless they are paying massive fines for it, it’s not an error, it’s a feature.
90% error rate? Even random should be 50/50 over a large binary dataset.
Rather it’s a 10% error rate to accept care.
United Healthcare has killed far more people than the alleged assassin. That entire board and executive team should be in jail for killing people
Ah, but you see, they don’t consider the denial of coverage to be an error.
Insurance using AI to deny claims. Hospitals using AI to write claims so they won’t get denied.
At some point, it’ll just be AI making decisions on patient health.
„error“ rate
It’s crazy to me that companies are allowed to take your money under false pretenses, then actively fight providing what they promise, and it’s not a crime. Like it’s some kind of paperwork error and nobody is ‚really to blame‘.
I’ll vote for the first party that promises to give corporate laws teeth and, first and foremost, go assign the executive class liability for ANY wrongdoing in a corporation. You can’t get paid top dollar, say it’s because ‚you’re responsible for everything‘, but as soon as something goes wrong point to a lower level employee and say you simply didn’t know about it. If you didn’t, that’s the crime. That’s your job. Ignorance should never, ever be a defense.
Guys it’s not their fault it’s their ai so don’t get mad at them! Totally not what they want!
Working as intended then.
This article is 3 years old.
If Americans wanted healthcare – that is to say, not insurance, but *care* – then they would vote for what almost every other industrialized country on Earth has, but alas, they do not, and their *very consistent voting record* proves this. They would rather fork money hand over first into yachts for health insurance CEOs. That is *observably* true. Actions speak louder than words.
And to that end, it seems like the AI here is working perfectly.
I know a guy. His name rhymes with Lou Weedgie.
In America paying Healthcare is like dumping money 💰 in a trash 🗑 can, when you need it, the answer is, nope, you don’t qualify.
An embarrassment for America 🇺🇸
UnitedHealth would tell you the error is that it’s still not denying enough claims
I work closely with UHC. From what I can tell they have quotas for approvals and denials.
Seems like they need a change in management if you know what I mean
Oh those are not errors
“Error rate” is too generic. Depending on your perspective, false positives may be preferential to false negatives.
If I’m a patient, I probably prefer false positives because I prefer being diagnosed with cancer to find out through later tests I’m actual cancer free. From the insurance perspective, false negatives are preferable because false positives will “waste” a lot more money on treating someone who isn’t actually sick.
“Specificity” vs “Sensitivity” are possible ways to measure the differences.
Do I dare ask which cheap as fuck model they’re using?
Looks like they didn’t learn their lesson
I guess they forgot already
They learned nothing. We’re gonna need the entire Nintendo cast for the next lesson
parasites , preying on peoples misery