Europäische Pisa-Ergebnisse von Schülern mit einheimischer Herkunft und Migrationshintergrund

They are not sending their best

Looks very much like language barriers play a big role. The english speaking countries have far smaller differences and countries with great education systems but hard languages like Finland are still particularly bad.

The colour choices make the differences seem a little more extreme than they are.

Ah yes, in all posts comparing native to immigrant students they show Germany as an example. Nobody mentions UK, wonder why??? It doesn’t match their crazy right wing anti-immigration propaganda

I’m sorry but bruh, why would they not show Cyprus on the map but instead add a tiny note that it’s left out from the frame? Just add a little rectangle in the corner with Cyprus

a person was describing exactly this phenomenon in an earlier post where only the average was shown. And got called rascist and downvoted for even suggesting that’s a possibility lol

Looks like UK/Ireland is the only area able to attract high level immigration, and this is because of language.

This isn’t a real map (it’s a social, economic, and political projection drawn over geography). At this level of abstraction the findings stop meaning much (you can’t see how they were obtained, or how valid the basic concepts even are). The PISA system I know was an administrative process to make higher education more palatable, to normalize credit systems, and to increase student movement (that is, brain drain into the centre of Europe, meaning Germany). It also deconstructed regionally focused curricula to obtain conformance (local character traded away for a single standard everything had to match).

I saw this transformation firsthand (European higher education going from 5-year programs into 3-year ones). I saw the shortening in certification adding incentives to low-quality education and increased corruption in degrees (normalization and higher movement, while beneficial to liberal arts programs, have negative effects on more formal programs with local investment requirements (a regional engineering school can’t just relocate its labs)).

So when this map gets shared, the interesting question isn’t which country scored best (it’s what the system producing these scores without a factual contextualization was designed to do, and who it served and why it the perpetuation of the North vs Sound maintained, one thing that is obvious is income and quality of life seems to have a huge impact in intelligence overall ).

In Spain. All the difference disappear once adjusted by socioeconomic level.

Lol Barry

Here in the UK you sometimes here a phrase that goes along the lines of, „Believe it or not, the UK is the least racist country in Europe.“ I remember thinking this was nonsense at first, but now having lived abroad and travelled quite extensively I tend to believe it’s actually true. And I think this map is a representation of that, amongst other factors. Racism amongst young people here is not prominent and is viewed as etremely unacceptable – especially on schools.

The data for this map come from here:

[https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2025-results-volume-i_73451bc5-en/full-report/student-performance-in-pisa-2025_23e075c2.html](https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2025-results-volume-i_73451bc5-en/full-report/student-performance-in-pisa-2025_23e075c2.html)

Its a very long report. The discussion on immigration happens at the bottom. This page gives a short summary of those findings.

[https://multiculturalmeanderings.com/2026/09/11/pisa-2025-results-volume-i-immigration-aspects/](https://multiculturalmeanderings.com/2026/09/11/pisa-2025-results-volume-i-immigration-aspects/)

In short the primary difference in test scores comes from language barriers. When this is taken into account immigrant student end up outperforming non immigrant students in most education systems.

This map was made by a third party on twitter. It does not link to the original data or report.

It does not exists to educate, but to fear monger.

This sub deserve better.

Turkey above most of Europe, lmfao. It’s a meme.

They’ve been skewing their results for the past few years by:

1. Cutting non-formal educational institutions. The OECD adjudicated and said this was still acceptable, but cautioned that it’s a sampling problem.

2. The sample has continually shifted to higher education categories. In 2015, for example, Anatolian high schools were 38.1% of the sample, vocational and technical Anatolian schools were 36.4%, Anatolian imam-hatip high schools were 14.4%, science high schools were 2.1%, social sciences high schools were 1.4%, and lower secondary schools were 2%, but in 2022, these had all shifted up in the ability distribution to 56%, 23%, 10.2%, 5.6%, 2.8%, and 0.2%.

3. Students became increasingly concentrated in higher grades. In 2012, 65.4% of Turkey’s participants were in grade 10, versus 72.9% in 2015 and 94% in 2022. (Turkey also changed its school entry age from 6 to 5.5 in 2012, which explains some of this last point, but nevertheless, the sample is now more educated than it once was at the same ages, so comparisons over time need to be adjusted if the point is a fair comparison to the past, and they need adjusted to make comparisons with other countries fair.) If you normalize the reported shares to sum to 100%, exclude the 0.8% of the 2015 sample with no identified school type, and allow for rounding in 2022, then issue #2 alone explains 56% of Turkey’s 2015 to 2022 score increase.

4. Turkey has been sending its kids in these schools to cram for the tests. Most other countries do not do this. It defeats the whole point of the examination, and yet there Turkey goes, setting itself up to have unrepresentative national score statistics for what seem to be national pride reasons. (source: archive.md/ZDDIn); Turkey began providing students with past questions, generating similar questions to train with, organizing practice groups, and using competitions and rewards as incentives to get people to prepare for the examinations.

5. High-SES kids‘ scores gained more recently, and Turkey’s sample’s relative position increased substantially more than it should have.

I could go on, but I think this is enough to get the idea. This is all publicly documented, so it shouldn’t surprise anyone who cares to understand. The denial is nationalistic cope; the fact that nationalists don’t look into this is unsurprising.

P.S. One source of funny cope that I’ve seen Turkish nationalists bring up here is that coverage increased, so selectivity must have gone down. This doesn’t follow and we know it’s wrong because we know about the SES selectivity of the sample.

Hey! It’s something the UK is good at! Everyone, look over here!

Which country in Europe registers the score of immigrants separate from the natives? FAKE!

what is happening in england and how are they doing it?

It is pointless without accounting for race factors. Asian Americans always beat Japan by significant margin in PISA despite the US as a whole have lower scores than Japan.

>White and Asian students, on average, had higher mathematics literacy scores (498 and 543, respectively) than the overall U.S. average score (465). Black and Hispanic students had lower scores (412 and 439, respectively) than the overall U.S. average score.

>White and Asian students, on average, had higher reading literacy scores (537 and 579, respectively) than the overall U.S. average score (504). Black and Hispanic students had lower average scores (459 and 481, respectively) than the overall U.S. average score.

>Asian and White students and students reporting Two or More Races, on average, had higher science literacy scores (578, 537, and 513, respectively) than the overall U.S. average score (499). The average science literacy score for Black and Hispanic students were lower than the overall U.S. average score (445 and 471, respectively).

Asian American students beat Japanese students in every subject, and the gap is not really close in science and reading.

**Math**
Asian American students: 543
Japanese students: 536

**Science**
Asian American students: 578
Japanese students: 547

**Reading**
Asian American students: 579
Japanese students: 516

[https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2022/#/](https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2022/#/)

[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scores-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scores-by-country)

what about poverty and Pisa Scores?

People in Iceland are pretty shocked by the numbers. It’s been the biggest news story of the week. It’s not a new development, it’s been trending this way for a while.

We used to have a great education system, now it’s awful, and our kids don’t seem to be learning anything – even the native ones.

So let’s unpack dunno what PISA is never heard of it and I certainly never had 1….
But from a simple Google search they are conducted in each school’s language so nothing too odd there standard P-hacking method to push a narrative.
And If anyone has an objection can check why the difference in UK.
I would easily assess that it probably due to almost everyone’s secondary language is English. So if the test has 3 brackets and you have a population taking a test that will score super low in 1 bracket it’s easily spotted P-hacking. Since everywhere else the one group will taking the test in the 1st or possibly the 2nd language while the rest on at least take it in 2nd or 3rd