The money spent on the fuel supports is mind boggling, given the government seems to be getting basically no political credit for it.
We’re spending more on it this year than we did on childcare subsidies.
And that is net of the incremental VAT we’re taking in – the cuts to excise more than outpace the additional VAT, which is nigh on impossible to change given EU rules. So we cut the flat tax element.
chilloutus on
How about we plow all of that additional spend into recruiting (and keeping) new bus drivers
Recent-Lemon-9930 on
Great, I’ll take the non-existent bus now that it’s free, nice one!
Saxondale-esque on
A big problem is that there is a massive amount of people in Ireland who think they are too good to use public transport. That’s why commuters get absolutely rode with shite, overpriced services and nobody is really fighting that side at all really.
vinceswish on
No we wouldn’t. No country this size has a free public transport and thanks for a great journalism, looks like it’s time forget governments wrong doings and blame cars for bad public transport.
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AluminiumCrackers on
they don’t want to make it free because it’s already at capacity. It’s not a money thing.
Important-Cry-4433 on
I’d love to get a cargo bike for my kids. But we are both self employed so we don’t qualify for the grant
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Iricliphan on
First of all, it’s not cheap to drive. Anyone who actually does have a license and drives will tell you that. The vast majority of the country drives and if the vast majority of the country is getting hit quite hard with rising insurance, high fuel costs and combine that with the cost of living, people are rightfully pissed about it.
Also, public transportation needs to be much better outside of Dublin for the majority of the country that relies on their cars precisely because the country has a very dispersed population and because of government policies that have shaped our infrastructure and lives.
Outside of Dublin, you absolutely need cars. We can’t hop on a DART or a Luas or a multitude of buses to get us to our location.
Some_Leg9822 on
Can’t we have both and pay for it by closing tax loopholes for billionaires?
Signal-Session-6637 on
The cause of the problem is visiting this week.
Important_Panic_3753 on
Driving is not cheap.
unwiseeyes on
I don’t want to use public transport though. I want to drive. I like driving. Public transport needs to improve for people that want and need to use it but I shouldn’t be punished because I drive.
dEADBOB81 on
Cheap to drive?
Economisty on
I dont subscribe to this paper. Can someone set out the financial argument being made here with some figures from the article, if possible please?
ApprehensiveSwim297 on
Easy win, start with free public transport to households who are car free easy to monitor as well .
McHale87 on
Is that free all over the country so people can actually use it? Or free based on what is currently in place?
PaxUX on
Go away will yeah, nothing wrong with owning and running a car. Cheap, it’s far from cheap.
jrf_1973 on
Sure we could make it free. But could we make it *safe*?
Could we keep scrotes off the public transport?
IrishAllDay on
I can’t stand how much money is being spent like this vs investing/building.
We’re acting like the Corporate Tax money will last forever
YoIronFistBro on
It’s exceptionally expensive to drive here.
Also, we don’t need free public transport, we need _good_
public transport.
InfectedAztec on
Yeah but people voted against prioritising public transport. The 3 biggest parties in Ireland are FF FG SF. The green party is essentially the smallest.
Sounds to me like the electorate has buyers remorse.
the_journal_says on
I have a vested interest in this because I own two lorries. Personally, I think across-the-board fuel cuts are a bad idea. I would rather have seen the Government increase the diesel rebate for the transport sector and provide targeted support for agriculture, instead of reducing the price at the pumps for everyone. Mainly because what I’m reading is pointing to a global diesel shortage, and allowing diesel to be consumed by private motorists is only going to bring those shortages forward(I could be wrong, I hope I’m wrong, but it’s just an opinion)
I understand why people are angry about the protests. I wasn’t there myself because I couldn’t afford to be. But people also need to remember how dependent the cost of almost everything we consume is on transport and agriculture. When diesel prices rise substantially, hauliers and farmers can’t simply absorb those costs indefinitely; at least some of them ultimately feed through the supply chain.
So while I don’t necessarily agree with cutting fuel taxes for everybody, I do think there is a strong case for targeted diesel support for industries such as haulage and agriculture.
Suncroft56 on
It’s not cheap to drive.
c0nflagration on
Have you heard of VRT?
Beneficial_Mall3300 on
„Babe, wake up!
Redditors are now saying it’s cheap to drive!“
Alarmed_Station6185 on
We need adequate public transport first. I would love to travel around by metro like I did when I was living abroad
Wack_photgraphy on
It’s cheap to drive ?
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The money spent on the fuel supports is mind boggling, given the government seems to be getting basically no political credit for it.
We’re spending more on it this year than we did on childcare subsidies.
And that is net of the incremental VAT we’re taking in – the cuts to excise more than outpace the additional VAT, which is nigh on impossible to change given EU rules. So we cut the flat tax element.
How about we plow all of that additional spend into recruiting (and keeping) new bus drivers
Great, I’ll take the non-existent bus now that it’s free, nice one!
A big problem is that there is a massive amount of people in Ireland who think they are too good to use public transport. That’s why commuters get absolutely rode with shite, overpriced services and nobody is really fighting that side at all really.
No we wouldn’t. No country this size has a free public transport and thanks for a great journalism, looks like it’s time forget governments wrong doings and blame cars for bad public transport.
[deleted]
they don’t want to make it free because it’s already at capacity. It’s not a money thing.
I’d love to get a cargo bike for my kids. But we are both self employed so we don’t qualify for the grant
[deleted]
First of all, it’s not cheap to drive. Anyone who actually does have a license and drives will tell you that. The vast majority of the country drives and if the vast majority of the country is getting hit quite hard with rising insurance, high fuel costs and combine that with the cost of living, people are rightfully pissed about it.
Also, public transportation needs to be much better outside of Dublin for the majority of the country that relies on their cars precisely because the country has a very dispersed population and because of government policies that have shaped our infrastructure and lives.
Outside of Dublin, you absolutely need cars. We can’t hop on a DART or a Luas or a multitude of buses to get us to our location.
Can’t we have both and pay for it by closing tax loopholes for billionaires?
The cause of the problem is visiting this week.
Driving is not cheap.
I don’t want to use public transport though. I want to drive. I like driving. Public transport needs to improve for people that want and need to use it but I shouldn’t be punished because I drive.
Cheap to drive?
I dont subscribe to this paper. Can someone set out the financial argument being made here with some figures from the article, if possible please?
Easy win, start with free public transport to households who are car free easy to monitor as well .
Is that free all over the country so people can actually use it? Or free based on what is currently in place?
Go away will yeah, nothing wrong with owning and running a car. Cheap, it’s far from cheap.
Sure we could make it free. But could we make it *safe*?
Could we keep scrotes off the public transport?
I can’t stand how much money is being spent like this vs investing/building.
We’re acting like the Corporate Tax money will last forever
It’s exceptionally expensive to drive here.
Also, we don’t need free public transport, we need _good_
public transport.
Yeah but people voted against prioritising public transport. The 3 biggest parties in Ireland are FF FG SF. The green party is essentially the smallest.
Sounds to me like the electorate has buyers remorse.
I have a vested interest in this because I own two lorries. Personally, I think across-the-board fuel cuts are a bad idea. I would rather have seen the Government increase the diesel rebate for the transport sector and provide targeted support for agriculture, instead of reducing the price at the pumps for everyone. Mainly because what I’m reading is pointing to a global diesel shortage, and allowing diesel to be consumed by private motorists is only going to bring those shortages forward(I could be wrong, I hope I’m wrong, but it’s just an opinion)
I understand why people are angry about the protests. I wasn’t there myself because I couldn’t afford to be. But people also need to remember how dependent the cost of almost everything we consume is on transport and agriculture. When diesel prices rise substantially, hauliers and farmers can’t simply absorb those costs indefinitely; at least some of them ultimately feed through the supply chain.
So while I don’t necessarily agree with cutting fuel taxes for everybody, I do think there is a strong case for targeted diesel support for industries such as haulage and agriculture.
It’s not cheap to drive.
Have you heard of VRT?
„Babe, wake up!
Redditors are now saying it’s cheap to drive!“
We need adequate public transport first. I would love to travel around by metro like I did when I was living abroad
It’s cheap to drive ?