China bereitet humanoide Roboter auf den Kampf vor, während Forscher sie von Laboren auf das Schlachtfeld bringen
https://www.techspot.com/news/113758-china-turns-humanoid-robots-showpiece-potential-battlefield-force.html
China bereitet humanoide Roboter auf den Kampf vor, während Forscher sie von Laboren auf das Schlachtfeld bringen
https://www.techspot.com/news/113758-china-turns-humanoid-robots-showpiece-potential-battlefield-force.html
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From the article:
Back when humanoid robots could barely stumble forward without falling over, there were plenty of jokes about their use on the battlefield, Terminator-style, not being much of a concern. Now, though, these machines are running faster than the fastest human and doing parkour – and China wants to turn them into robotic miltary „combatants.“
August saw the World Humanoid Robot Games take place in China, where robots took parts in several events. The same month, Unitree claimed its Superman robot can run faster than Usain Bolt, although the figure has not been independently verified.
Reuters reports that two days after the Games ended, the People’s Liberation Army’s official newspaper, the PLA Daily, called for researchers to accelerate the transfer of these technologies from laboratories to military training grounds.
Reuters reviewed more than 100 Chinese military procurement notices, academic studies, patents, official publications, government records, and defense-company materials. It found that the country is accelerating research into the robots‘ military uses and planning for their eventual wartime deployment.
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However, China still has plans for how to use humanoid robots. It envisions them being used alongside robot dogs – something that ICE could soon use – and unmanned vehicles, an area that is becoming increasingly popular among global militaries.
The Terminator and Matrix movies were supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.
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Honestly reading about China pushing these humanoid robots and robot dogs into combat makes me think the next progress to be made is how we actually control them. Like if a robot is running faster than Usain Bolt, a human with a standard joystick is gonna be way too slow to keep up.
I follow the BCI (brain-computer interface) space and the big trend for this is shared autonomy. Basically instead of manually controlling every step, the operator just thinks high-level commands like „take cover“ through a neural electrodes, and the robots onboard AI handles the actual physics of running and balancing. You can see this already in video game applications where having the human control the shooting character with biological parameters destroys a regular player using a controller. Is like they are cheating.
They’re even working on bi-directional BCIs now where the machine sends physical feedback straight back into the operators brain. So if militaries actually deploy swarms of these things, the soldiers will potentially be neurally linked into the network, managing them at the speed of thought. Kinda terrifying but sadly where the tech is heading.
Hopefully, BCI tech stays in the hand of people looking to do some good in research, health, and overall tech 🙂
Not surprising in the least. That’s the ultimate goal of most technology, either to weaponize it or to profit off it – 2 things that are not mutually exclusive and often are the same thing.
Once perfected, or at the very least, once the technology is functional in any meaningful capacity, the killbots will be rolled out. If you think police are brutal now, wait until they are enforcing the letter of the law without contextual judgement.
I’m sure they are looking into that, but drones seem to be a more practical development and something that can be applied to huge effect today. I imagine that humanoid battle robots would be very expensive, much more than a human soldier, and so would not be mass produced before they are cheaper than humans, just maybe a few units for research and PR.
I don’t think humanoid robots will make an effective battlefield tool. Far too awkward to work well.
The war in Ukraine has already demonstrated that all you need is armaments on a track robot. This obsession with humanoid robots on the battlefield is nonsensical. Add attachments for niche scenarios (e.g. breach or shape charges). Deployable solar array for recharging, drone docking, the sky is the limit when the platform is mobile, low profile, modular, and CHEAP AF.
As if the US isn’t trying as well, at this point it’s just a matter of time.
It makes me wonder if this means EMP will become a viable weapon nobody can live without. Imagine wiping out an entire robot army with the first strike.
Why does anyone think this is a good idea? We’ve all seen the Terminator and the Matrix, it doesn’t end well
One year later the chinese version of Skynet emerges, China is unable to control the situation and India fires its nukes. Chinet retaliates with chinese nukes.
What happens next? Lets make it a group project and the result will be scraped by a Hollywood scraping bot that seeks for new materials for movies.
Ooh scary China.
Ukraine has robots on the ground killing Russians as we speak and it is based as fuck. They didn’t make them humanoid because why would they, it doesn’t matter. Legs? Arms? Put a machine gun on a rolling drone body and it’ll kill you plenty well enough.
The technology is not the problem, it is the intent.
Robots may do the killing, but it will still be flesh and blood civilians doing all the dying.
Of course.
Why humanoid robots though? Wouldn’t a twenty arm murder squid that can kill 16 people at once be a better soldier than a human which can only look one way, can only hold two weapons and every knows it’s weak points are knees and lower back?
Not giving the military ideas but seriously what are you doing against a screeching ball of armoured chainsaw limbs and guns rolling through your town?
I always love reading these sorts of threads bc for every level headed take there’s someone FREAKING OUT who knows absolutely nothing about robotics
Weird tactic to take when Ukraine has found that cheap drones are gonna be able to take them out as easily as humans
Also there’s a 100% chance this is how they want to take Taiwan
Typical Trade Federation and their B1 battledroids.
Come on, any responsible government and military with a brain would do what China is doing. People are crying foul simply because they fall behind.
Even laypeople have been predicting this for years, but remains to be seen whether they are as dexterous as humans. Could be more a warning signal as robot warfighters need not be humanoid. In fact getting rid of human-ness altogether may make more sense, like crew compartments on modern tanks (example: get rid of the “empty spaces” reserved by humans and a remotely-controllable tank can sit lower = less of a target.
My CPU is a neural-net processor; a learning computer.
This is why I think the first wave of troops landing on the beaches if they move against Taiwan won’t be actual humans.
These will be pretty useless compared to more traditional UGVs
See if China does it then you have to let us do it too!
But… Why? Drones are basically broken in combat, as we’re setting in Ukraine. They can see you, hear you, and properly equipped can so all of that AND take you out from a mile away.
If they really needed on- the-ground units, wouldn’t a quadripedal be infinitely more effective? Higher speed and stability, capable of carrying more advanced weapons systems and able to be more heavily armored…
Besides maybe psychological reasons I dont see why they’d go with a human-like, bipedal body plan.
If theyre robots why limit them to having a human frame?
Wouldn’t an EMP render this type of thing useless? I wouldn’t be too worried about this, there always a way to counter other strategies.
Lots of battlefield rules banned by the Geneva checklist are gonna come back because nobody will care what happens to fucking clankers.
We all knew it was heading this way; it was just a matter of time.