This is very disappointing to read. Peacekeeping was something that Canada could claim to be a genuine global leader in, and one of the most compelling reasons for Canada to have a military. It was the clearest example of military force being used for good. I recall reading Roméo Dallaire’s book and feeling that there was something very important about what he and the UN peacekeepers were trying to do, and the tragic end to that mission proved both how desperately the mission was needed, but also how unserious major powers were about it.
Rae’s comments suggests that the problem goes deep within the military itself, which has little interest in peacekeeping.
> “The opposition within the Department of National Defence to UN
peacekeeping commitments is deep seated and thoroughly embedded in the
current military establishment. During my five years at the UN, I had
firsthand experience with this institutional aversion.”
Harbinger2001 on
This is disappointing but is an unfortunate reality of the state of the UN today. Canada will have a role to play in the new world order that emerges from the decline of the USA and the end of the post-WW2 order.
EreWeG0AgaIn on
Holy fuck what a headline. We still have peackeepkng operations they are shifting resources from some operations. All the operations we are pulling from have other countries participating and have been active for decades. A few of the operations we are pulling from only have 1- 5 Canadians on the ground. The operation hardest hit will have 40 Canadians pulled.
I’m sick and tired of these sensational headlines.
The media’s biggest complaint seems to be that China will get more soft power by being more involved. But why should Canada, with a population of 40 million and a GDP of 3.3T CAD be more involved in peacekeeping than countries like China and America? And how long are we expected to be deployed in these regions? One operation has been going on for 40yrs, when will we stop paying for it?
Oilester on
Maybe if we „shut it down“ for a while, people might stop huffing the gas that is this peacekeeping mythos we’ve developed about ourselves cause we got a liason officer in Cyprus.
JeSuisLePamplemous on
This is more a reflection of the changing world order than anything.
Canada is still *heavily* involved in global military missions, see: Operation REASSURANCE, Operation AMARNA, Operation CALUMET (still will exist), and Operation HORIZON, for example.
People who are saying they are disappointed probably don’t realize that peacekeeping missions like Rwanda and Bosnia simply don’t happen any more because traditional ceasefires typically can’t/don’t happen with civil wars- and peace keeping is explicitly upholding international law between two parties (i.e. nations) during a cease fire.
The world has changed significantly since the peacekeeping days of yesteryear- and even back in the day- Romeo Dollaire despised his lack of authority to prevent the genocide in Rwanda from happening.
Prudent-Proposal1943 on
In 1994, no one framed the closing of Canadian bases in Germany as *Canada is effectively shutting down its 80 year history of defeating Germany*
Why? Because it wasn’t better than half true and it ceased to be a useful expenditure of very limited resources.
How much does it cost to add one officer to a mission? It costs 100% of that officer’s year. A 100% of whatever position they were supposed to be filling that some other officer now has to do in addition to their jobs. This is assuming, of course, that whatever establishment that officer is coming from is 100%, which it never is.
So unless the junior officer UNMO or watchkeeper is doing something more useful than observing a peace (i.e. observing a nothing) in a country like Cyprus that hasn’t had a shot fired in anger in almost 30 years, maybe we can commit to something more useful.
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This is very disappointing to read. Peacekeeping was something that Canada could claim to be a genuine global leader in, and one of the most compelling reasons for Canada to have a military. It was the clearest example of military force being used for good. I recall reading Roméo Dallaire’s book and feeling that there was something very important about what he and the UN peacekeepers were trying to do, and the tragic end to that mission proved both how desperately the mission was needed, but also how unserious major powers were about it.
Rae’s comments suggests that the problem goes deep within the military itself, which has little interest in peacekeeping.
> “The opposition within the Department of National Defence to UN
peacekeeping commitments is deep seated and thoroughly embedded in the
current military establishment. During my five years at the UN, I had
firsthand experience with this institutional aversion.”
This is disappointing but is an unfortunate reality of the state of the UN today. Canada will have a role to play in the new world order that emerges from the decline of the USA and the end of the post-WW2 order.
Holy fuck what a headline. We still have peackeepkng operations they are shifting resources from some operations. All the operations we are pulling from have other countries participating and have been active for decades. A few of the operations we are pulling from only have 1- 5 Canadians on the ground. The operation hardest hit will have 40 Canadians pulled.
I’m sick and tired of these sensational headlines.
The media’s biggest complaint seems to be that China will get more soft power by being more involved. But why should Canada, with a population of 40 million and a GDP of 3.3T CAD be more involved in peacekeeping than countries like China and America? And how long are we expected to be deployed in these regions? One operation has been going on for 40yrs, when will we stop paying for it?
Maybe if we „shut it down“ for a while, people might stop huffing the gas that is this peacekeeping mythos we’ve developed about ourselves cause we got a liason officer in Cyprus.
This is more a reflection of the changing world order than anything.
Canada is still *heavily* involved in global military missions, see: Operation REASSURANCE, Operation AMARNA, Operation CALUMET (still will exist), and Operation HORIZON, for example.
People who are saying they are disappointed probably don’t realize that peacekeeping missions like Rwanda and Bosnia simply don’t happen any more because traditional ceasefires typically can’t/don’t happen with civil wars- and peace keeping is explicitly upholding international law between two parties (i.e. nations) during a cease fire.
The world has changed significantly since the peacekeeping days of yesteryear- and even back in the day- Romeo Dollaire despised his lack of authority to prevent the genocide in Rwanda from happening.
In 1994, no one framed the closing of Canadian bases in Germany as *Canada is effectively shutting down its 80 year history of defeating Germany*
Why? Because it wasn’t better than half true and it ceased to be a useful expenditure of very limited resources.
How much does it cost to add one officer to a mission? It costs 100% of that officer’s year. A 100% of whatever position they were supposed to be filling that some other officer now has to do in addition to their jobs. This is assuming, of course, that whatever establishment that officer is coming from is 100%, which it never is.
So unless the junior officer UNMO or watchkeeper is doing something more useful than observing a peace (i.e. observing a nothing) in a country like Cyprus that hasn’t had a shot fired in anger in almost 30 years, maybe we can commit to something more useful.