As it often happens, we want collective actions but are not willing to act individually.
Sufficient-History71 on
A lot of people on a similar thread had given a few excuses –
1. India and China – Switzerland has much larger per capita consumption emissions.
2. Using paper straws doesn’t make a dent – Indeed it doesn’t. But you know what does, refusing to buy larger fossil fuel cars like SUVs(except a few cases where they might be needed), eating less meat especially Beef, eating more local food(FU Bauernverband but gotta support the local farming still) and refusing to indulge in fast fashion like Shein, Zara and H&M. Protest for more international train routes so that at least local flights can be avoided. Protest for more solar parks and more renewable energy invest in general.
3. We can’t do much against the big business – Well if you are a citizen and 18+ and if you don’t vote or vote for SVP and FDP, you are part of the problem. You live in a direct democracy.
4. BuT whAT aBouT tHe EcONomY – One of the most brain dead takes. There is no economy on a drought ridden burning country especially when it relies on other countries for food imports. You won’t be able to shove these Swiss Franks into the mouths of your starving kids.
Grand_Dadais on
There will be no adaptation short of 40-50% of the population going back to farming with permaculture, agroforestry and lowtechs. It’s not just the climate, it’s ecological overshoot and adaptation will not happen with high-techs (breaks down more often, we can’t control the complex supply chain with dozen of transformation locations, etc.)
Indeed we won’t do it unless we are hit by constraints. But with some luck, the Hormuz situation will force this situation upon us, as it drags on.
Once we’re hit by the biggest energy crisis that happened, normalcy bias will shatter for many people. If we let the industrial and finance people remain in denial (it’s going to be a short crisis and then we’ll always have more of everything), we won’t adapt or prepare enough. And those people are the main sponsors of the parliament.
You can remain in denial that somehow, someway, we’ll always have more, because we’re smart and innovative, but that will be more and more digging your head in the sand.
„C’est le déclic, ou le déclin“.
You can just ignore that and keep having debates about „we need to put more AC“ as if this would be adapting, while ignoring that the strain it will add to the power grid, especially in heatwaves, will make it more and more likely that we experience blackouts.
Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s be „serious“ and „moderate“ people, let’s debate about some band-aid measures; because we’re sure that somehow, we’ll have growth of GDP, one way or another. After all, it’s a rule that’s on the same level as entropy or thermodynamics.
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Well, now there’s one of the worst heatwaves ever and nothing really happened. Sure, it was hot and all, but there wasn’t really anything that really hurt. Things like no food in supermarkets, rationing of water, significant loss of income, heat deaths (probably mostly a few already weakened people that died a few months earlier than they would have if it was cooler).
As long as it’s like that, I don’t believe anything will change really…
Sceptics will say that climate change isn’t that bad after all and we’ll be able to deal with it just fine.
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As it often happens, we want collective actions but are not willing to act individually.
A lot of people on a similar thread had given a few excuses –
1. India and China – Switzerland has much larger per capita consumption emissions.
2. Using paper straws doesn’t make a dent – Indeed it doesn’t. But you know what does, refusing to buy larger fossil fuel cars like SUVs(except a few cases where they might be needed), eating less meat especially Beef, eating more local food(FU Bauernverband but gotta support the local farming still) and refusing to indulge in fast fashion like Shein, Zara and H&M. Protest for more international train routes so that at least local flights can be avoided. Protest for more solar parks and more renewable energy invest in general.
3. We can’t do much against the big business – Well if you are a citizen and 18+ and if you don’t vote or vote for SVP and FDP, you are part of the problem. You live in a direct democracy.
4. BuT whAT aBouT tHe EcONomY – One of the most brain dead takes. There is no economy on a drought ridden burning country especially when it relies on other countries for food imports. You won’t be able to shove these Swiss Franks into the mouths of your starving kids.
There will be no adaptation short of 40-50% of the population going back to farming with permaculture, agroforestry and lowtechs. It’s not just the climate, it’s ecological overshoot and adaptation will not happen with high-techs (breaks down more often, we can’t control the complex supply chain with dozen of transformation locations, etc.)
Indeed we won’t do it unless we are hit by constraints. But with some luck, the Hormuz situation will force this situation upon us, as it drags on.
Once we’re hit by the biggest energy crisis that happened, normalcy bias will shatter for many people. If we let the industrial and finance people remain in denial (it’s going to be a short crisis and then we’ll always have more of everything), we won’t adapt or prepare enough. And those people are the main sponsors of the parliament.
You can remain in denial that somehow, someway, we’ll always have more, because we’re smart and innovative, but that will be more and more digging your head in the sand.
„C’est le déclic, ou le déclin“.
You can just ignore that and keep having debates about „we need to put more AC“ as if this would be adapting, while ignoring that the strain it will add to the power grid, especially in heatwaves, will make it more and more likely that we experience blackouts.
Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s be „serious“ and „moderate“ people, let’s debate about some band-aid measures; because we’re sure that somehow, we’ll have growth of GDP, one way or another. After all, it’s a rule that’s on the same level as entropy or thermodynamics.
Well, now there’s one of the worst heatwaves ever and nothing really happened. Sure, it was hot and all, but there wasn’t really anything that really hurt. Things like no food in supermarkets, rationing of water, significant loss of income, heat deaths (probably mostly a few already weakened people that died a few months earlier than they would have if it was cooler).
As long as it’s like that, I don’t believe anything will change really…
Sceptics will say that climate change isn’t that bad after all and we’ll be able to deal with it just fine.