Irland drängt darauf, wegen des Prozesses gegen einen pro-palästinensischen Aktivisten Druck auf Deutschland auszuüben
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/24/irish-pm-germany-pro-palestinian-activists-trial-ulm-5?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Von Usernameoverloaded
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Further context:
“The proceedings are being held at Stuttgart-Stammheim, the maximum-security facility associated with West Germany’s terrorism trials of the 1970s.
A freedom of information request revealed that the presiding judge never sought to use a standard courtroom belonging to her own regional court. Instead, she placed proceedings in a high-security room belonging to the higher regional court without releasing any security assessment.
At every hearing, the five have been brought in while handcuffed and placed in a bulletproof glass cage. The defence has repeatedly argued the set up violates their presumption of innocence and prevents confidential communication with their lawyers.
The defence has also identified what they say are a cascade of constitutional violations: no defence note-taker has been permitted despite German courts producing no verbatim transcript, defendants unable to take their own notes; inadequate simultaneous translation.
On the first day, the presiding judge also refused to grant defence counsel the right to even speak at all. On the second, she granted them the floor – then summarily rejected every single application.
The five have been repeatedly denied bail, despite posing no credible flight risk, and the press has been barred from photographing them until the end of the trial.
The defence has filed motions for recusal of all five judges as a result of the conditions of the trial.
Defence counsel Benjamin Düsberg said the State Security Chamber “continues to reject basic constitutional standards” and that defence lawyers “will not stoop to being party to the sham legitimation of a show trial”.”
https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-citizens-subjected-to-show-trial-in-germany-lawyers-say/
Not likely daddy america would be over to have a word with us. Still nothing over the President’s sister being abused by Israel themselves.
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What pressure can we put on Germany?
So, they smash up an Israeli facility in Germany. What did they expect, a medal?
Jesus, the Germans must have misunderstood when people said one should be „on the right side of history“ as „on the reiche side of history“ *insert jpg. of Krusty the Clown stepping on rakes stamped with ‚being a nazi‘ on them*
This guy deserves jail time. Nobody has the right to go into a business and wreck the place. Regardless of whatever politics he is deeply invested in or what kind of scarf he wears.
They’re having the book thrown at them.
After living with Ireland’s soft “justice” system these idiots are getting a rude awakening about how other countries actually deal with criminal activity.
Edit: and all the downvotes only shows how disconnected the average [r/ireland](r/ireland) user is from reality.
If you fuck around in another country you’re going to find out about that countries judicial system. Most Irish citizens have gotten comfortable with the idea that actions don’t have any consequences here. But they’re in for a big reality check when they go abroad and meet actual trained police and judges that actually throw the book at them
Downvote away, because it doesn’t change the reality.
Germany’s enthusiastic support for the genociders has put a serious dent in my support for the EU.
Does anyone know how any of this compares to „regular“ German court proceedings?
Although I guess there probably aren’t a great deal of cases where a group of people attacked and damaged a non politically sensitive weapons production facility.
What I’m trying to get to is any of this unusually harsh or is it kinda par for the course when you do this kind of thing?
Any of the legal folks want to weigh in?
23 hour lockup for smashing up the place is OTT. The Germans are mad fuckers.
For pressure to be applied, the people applying said pressure probably have to be of some import.
He’s being made an example of but he’s not not guilty of the charges. Just because they didn’t intend to harm individuals doesn’t mean the property damage, links to a criminal organisation, tresspasing or displaying banned symbols.
23 hour lockup for pre-trial detention is absolutely bananas, especially going on nearly a year.
Germany (politically as well as their elites and many people) have genuinely been a revelation and a deep disappointment since their sympathy for Israel’s genocide has been outed. I have now got big reservations about them having a leading role in Europe. They are not thinking straight, hopefully the next generation’s politicians can put them straight.
I don’t trust them to handle EU foreign affairs, I think VDL and Merz et al have terrible instincts on this and on the US too, they’ve taken much, much too long to come to terms with what the US is now.
Unfortunately Germany seems to have learned nothing from the last genocide they caused and seem hell bent on being involved in another one.
They spent 80 years promising never again, apparently that didn’t apply to brown Muslims.
i think the past year of Germany’s hard right government, support of the genocide, and support for pro-surveillance state legislation at the EU level has cast off the illusion for many that they are somehow a model nation for learning from their past.
The level of bootlickery in this thread
Worth watching the video of them in the facility
https://youtube.com/shorts/DleJAA_LRQI
There he is now, leading the antifada chant, is it any surprise he’s up on terrorism charges
Scary how complicit Germany is in the genocide. They are Israel’s second-biggest weapons supplier, after all.
Same as the UK, treating what is a criminal damage case by a direct action group – something that whether you agree with it or not – has happened for many decades and never been prosecuted as terrorism.
These countries prefer to erode the democratic rights of their own citizens and bow to Israel’s needs.
This chapter in history will not be looked back upon well.
What pressure is the DFA expected to even apply to the German government? Summoning the German Ambassador?
Germany is a country where you’ll find Stolpersteine in every street, documenting Jews who were deported and murdered. Facilities which were constructed to deport Jews and facilities of mass murder are preserved as Denkmale (lit. memorials).
And since 2023, certain people have been valdalising these, covering them in red paint, gouging them out of the ground.
Germany had an era in the 1970s, with the likes of the Rote Armee Fraktion and Revolutionäre Zelle, which hijacked aircraft and then systematically executed Jewish and Israeli hostages.
This is the sort of thing that sits in the German national consciousness, and when people smash up Israeli businesses, people in Germany don’t think about Gaza, they think about Kristalnacht, the pogroms that ultimately started the Holocaust.
So what’s the expectation of the DFA? Asking skilled and experienced diplomats to ignore 20th century German history, and release the accused Irish citizens?
I’ll be downvoted for pointing this out, but my experience of the average Irish person is that they’re quite ignorant of what Germany was between 1945 and 1990.
Remember this the next time someone suggests a federated Europe or common foreign policy.
I’m honestly not that surprised to see the Germans supporting Nazis once again
So fucking what…
I was 50 days in a segregated jail, 24/7 locked up.. handcuffed everywhere I went, even to the shower.. and that was before I was sentenced..when I was abroad..
He can build a bridge and get over it..
Well, we’ve had 3rd Reich…but what about 4th Reich?