Kanada schuldet internationalen Studierenden keinen Weg zur Aufenthaltserlaubnis
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-international-students-residency-university-immigration-education/
Kanada schuldet internationalen Studierenden keinen Weg zur Aufenthaltserlaubnis
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-international-students-residency-university-immigration-education/
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These people aren’t students even. They aren’t going to leave voluntarily and we’ll end up with a huge number of illegal immigrants like in the U.S.
We don’t owe anyone. You just come for your education and then head back home. Isn’t that the point for international students.
Same thing applies to work permit holders. Going to school and working here should not lead to residency.
They should be treated the same way as regular immigration applicants. Not some special cases that deserve it more than others just cause they were here for 2-3 years.
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The fella who got all this going…
No-one is saying Canada owes international students a path to residency. But it would be dumb not to.
There are lots of countries they can study in, and get just as good (or better) of an education. Many offer more prestigious schools (eg. the UK). What makes Canada attractive as a place for talented people to study is the pathway to permanent residency after graduation. If it isn’t for that, why go to frozen Canada to pay high tuition fees?
No-one owes anyone anything. But Canada would be stupid to not try and attract graduates as new immigrants to try and fill labour market needs, when it is spending tons of money to [recruit people in many fields from abroad](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-health-care-workers-international-hospital-recruitment/). Why not hire the people who are already here, speak the language, and have graduated from a Canadian university?
The students should be directing their anger at the immigration “consultants” / human traffickers that took their money with promises of PR, at the diploma mills that exploited them, and the corporations that wanted timmigrants.
The Canadian government SHOULD have moved on this a lot faster, advised people about the consultant fraud, de-accredited the diploma mills, and cancelled all the LMIAs and loopholes.
We had an immigration system that was the envy of the world and we three it away when the global corporations saw they would have to raise wages.
It will take decades to reverse the poor choices begin by Harper in 2013 and accelerated by Trudeau and Carney.
Let’s be real, an educated young adult is the best type of immigrant you can ask for, however there needs to be a limit and strict guidelines as to which degrees are valuable for the country and provided by a reputable institution. We don’t need massage therapists from a diploma mill who are just looking to get a PR and work as truck drivers. We need people who can give something back to society in a more meaningful way.
Canada absolutely does „owe“ these students a reasonable pathway to residency; not legally but certainly in the moral sense of the term.
The author herself does a good job playing devil’s advocate. I just don’t understand her ultimate argument: that making good on our previous bargain means Canadian residency was „for sale“, and that’s a line too far. Is she against investor visas, for example? Perhaps residency shouldn’t be for sale going forward, but the bargain existed, and we’re reneging.
I’m very much a supporter of immigration policy that looks ***very*** different than what we recently experienced. But let’s not dress things up. Sending these students home is a shitty move. It doesn’t have to be this way.
Yes let’s turn away more of the exact people we need to soften the blow of our impending demographic crisis.
Smart move, plus all the worst and most ignorant voters will love will it, and keeping them happy is the top priority of any good government.
Edit: Thanks for the replies folks, but I’ve seen the nativist dogma already. If you come up with any new reasons to shoot ourselves in the foot with immigration cuts let me know.
Canada doesn’t owe international students a path to residency but we’re so much better as a country when we do. Some of the smartest people I know were international students.
That being said, it should be reserved for students entering high demand fields (personal support workers, RPNs, etc.) or graduating with an undergraduate degree from accredited universities.
Many were not students, the tire fiasco was a backdoor to citizenship which also resulted in Bishnoi gang members flooding into Canada and foreign students falsely claiming refugee status
The schools set up were mostly sham schools marketed by consultants overseas who sold the product to these ‘students’ who knew the jig was a backdoor to citizenship which also
>It was a great way for colleges to make money, for consultants to get rich
They should mention Applyboard by name to just really highlight how celebrated this system was until it got unpopular. Our unicorn startup, important enough to get minister visits, including Trudeau himself. Everyone loves a photo-op when you have a billionaire dollar startup, best not to question what exactly that startup was selling.
This was largely the fault of govts
The feds where giving pr to anyone and many scam students got pr easily
This created a craze to come to canada and provinces, landlords and corporations got greedy.
Feds saw easy short term economic growth
It blew up badly though
I think this is a little backwards, no? We are spending the resources to educate them, surely we should want them to stay so we can reap the benefits of those resources? I think the real problem is that, since 2008, provincial governments have been cutting funding to academia – so international students are the only way they can make money anymore. Given that many provinces also impose limits on how much they can charge Canadians for tuition, which is unambiguously a good thing.
If we want to be a modern, service based economy, we need educated workers. If we don’t want those workers to be immigrants, we need to fund schools enough to educate Canadians. We can’t have it both ways.
>Canada does not owe international students a path to residency
Nobody is saying that it does but, as the article points out, that’s exactly what former Immigration Minister Marc Miller was unofficially offering under Trudeau.
Immigration has reduced by a lot already and got more efficient the recent years, can we stop these hit pieces now, I’d like to live peacefully now for as long as I can stay in Canada.
International students are the ideal immigrants. They speak our languages, they spend a few years in our country so that they’ve started to assimilate and learn how our systems work, they are at full health, and they are at the right age to enter the labour force to contribute to our society. Whether the schools are any good is a different question that’s unfortunately up to the provinces.
Yep, the best of the best can apply via the normal pathways, but otherwise you came here to study and once done you can return home or go elsewhere with your degree.
I think we should absolutely let people come to be students but they need to be able to support themselves without a job, (outside of co-op requirements for degrees).
Education is an export
I’d argue that there isn’t anything inherently wrong with offering PR pathways to students, granted they’re people going into high-skill, high-demand fields
The issue here is that we have legions of students in fields that we have zero economic demand for, such as business management. Diplomas that they’ve earned from places that give subpar education because that isn’t what they’re here for.
Like many others, Ms Urback asks the wrong question. The programme, like any other of our immigrant recruitment and integration efforts, relies on a (sometimes articulated and explicit, sometimes not) compact between the student and Canadian society. If t hey behave, integrate, and work hard, there’s a transitional process in place– if they don’t, well…. they can return home. The only „owe“ here is the best efforts of both parties.
As originally conceived, the international students programme provided for a 3-4 practical integration process, letting us know how well the student was integrating into Canadian life, and respectful of our laws. It fell apart when provinces failed in their oversight of the many private colleges which turned out to be certificate-mills with no real study component, and employers used the students as a cheap and easily manipulated workforce. Immigration’s job cuts made it impossible to even track their existence.
Potentially it was a great idea and, in many cases, it worked well. But it fell a victim to Canadians‘ eternal desire not to pay for effective administration and to shuffle responsibility off to anyone else it could. Our demographics and labour requirements are brutal– we need solid immigration, and rather more than we would think.
I am very pro a pathway for International students to get citizenship. They are excellent immigrants, they invariably speak one of the official languages, have a degree from a Canadian institution, allowing them to enter the work force almost immediately, and they already have attachments and connections in Canada.
The only addendum is that this pathway should be contingent on graduation from an actual university. No drop outs, no graduates from Sneaky Joes college of malingering.
I hate framing this in terms of what is „owed“.
We should be doing certain things because it is consistent with our values, not because we’re dragged kicking and screaming into it.
A better framing here is to really get serious about what an international student is, whether all of the people involved in this controversy actually count as such, and to what extent a lack of regulation in the for-profit education space is producing perverse incentives that places us in contradiction with our values.
I absolutely want the best and brightest to come here, study in our world-class universities, and then to stay. The right question to ask is whether *that is the process that is occurring*.
If it’s not, then the thing we don’t owe anyone is to allow the process to continue.
Certainly not. We don’t and never did. The government has never promised otherwise and I believe the visa they apply for is explicitly non-immigrant/temporary.
Yet they come here with that exclusive intention and it’s a large part of the marketing of these study programs, even at non-scam public colleges.
For both their sakes and ours, it needs to be emphasized that all they’re owed is the education they pay for, not a pathway for immigration. Just like when we Canadians study overseas.
But if we do that, we’ll lose a lot of international students — that’s a massive chunk of revenue from already cash-strapped schools that would otherwise be unviable.
We have willfully neglected this misalignment and allowed the implication that studying here is a way to get PR to spread because it’s been profitable for us, but at some point we have to come to terms with it one way or another.
I get the impression that commenters who are saying the quality of the schools are a provincial issue probably haven’t read the linked article.
This article is largely about the federal government’s PGWP policy, which is an area of federal jurisdiction. And as the article notes, the feds have taken steps to restrict PGWPs to certain types of programs, both better aligning student immigration with economic goals and also starving predatory educational institutions that the provinces still allow on the DLI list.
It would be better if the provinces and the feds could collaborate more, but the federal government’s approach is a defensible workaround given the constitutional division of powers.
It makes sense giving them a path to residency. It would be less of an adjustment compared to someone who just came here. If they can get a job post graduation, preferably in an in demand field such as healthcare, and demonstrate a proficiency in either English or Quebecois French, I’d be for giving them a pathway to citizenship. Citizenship should not be a guarantee, but there should be a reasonable pathway.
People forget that without international students the tuition for domestic students would need to be much higher, or the provincial and federal governments would need to pony up more funding for post secondary schools.