Yes, because this same idea has worked out so well on their tanks
Normal-Membership220 on
Double tap, baby!!!
BellybuttonWorld on
Well that’s closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
No-Goose-6140 on
Two stage drones it is then
seimalau on
Cope web
ImissTBBT on
Meh, 2 or 3 drones to penetrate the protection and one to make things go boom
MassiveBoner911_3 on
I wonder if you can do some math with velocity and distance and have the fuze to blow on contact after 10 ms or so. Kinda like bunker buster bombs that drill into the ground and explode.
So the drone hits the net and pushes forward and explodes near the target?
Idk im just some bitch
Puzzleheaded-Cap1300 on
It’s a big project to protect the vulnerable and expensive parts of a refinery in this way.
Scale that up over multiple refineries and that makes it an even bigger feat.
juniperfanz on
It is evidence of the predicament russia is enjoying. They can spend and defend as hard as they want but Ukrainian innovation is remorseless. Either an effective response or a new target will be chosen. Defence of everything, everywhere is an impossible way to wage war.
In a crashing economy this is all money not spent where needed then wasted on insufficient defence. All to show that something is being done! (along with missile attacks on civilians in their homes).
And never, never acknowledging that russsia is responsible for this entire tragic waste. Or that they can end it immediately by discovering decency and sanity and Getting the Fuck Out Of Ukraine.
Such truth impugns. History will record with disgust the shame of russia to make war on its neighbour on bogus victim grounds then descend to volatile failed state status when subjected to a just and necessary response.
amitym on
The AI image on the post is a bit misleading, the actual document depicts a totally different type of net arrangement.
At a guess, it looks like if the diagram is accurate and it works successfully it might slightly increase the number of hits required to blow up a target, but mostly would restrict angles of attack to steep top-attack approaches, since the top looks highly vulnerable. Which might be part of a larger AA strategy? It’s not clear and of course the diagram could be bullshit to begin with.
If nothing else, two drones following in close succession seem like they would defeat the defense, the first to collapse a net section and the second to exploit the collapse. It’s not like the site can dodge or evade after the first hit.
ingenkopaaisen on
Better hurry and cause as much more damage while it’s easy Ukraine. That said, I’m sure the drones will be adapted to spill thermite or have directional charges or something. This is still cope at the end of the day. Just leave Ukraine! It’s a lot cheaper.
ElectricShuck on
I have a better plan. Arrest Putin and withdraw their troops from foreign lands. No protection needed just like that.
Confused_recursion on
This is basically Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban’s problem in reverse. Vauban was Louis XIV’s fortification engineer, the guy who built all those star-shaped forts along France’s borders and more or less wrote the book on siege warfare. His whole career ran into a wall every defensive theorist eventually hits: defense doesn’t scale. The more territory or the more sites you have to protect, the more resources it eats, and the cost curve just keeps climbing until it breaks your budget. Louis was going broke funding it. You can’t fortify everything, everywhere, forever; the attacker only has to be strong at one point, but the defender has to be strong at every point.
Russia’s oil infrastructure is that exact problem in 2026 form. Refineries, pump stations, depots, export terminals; thousands of kilometers of high-value, mostly stationary targets spread across a continent-sized landmass. You can throw drone nets, cope cages, and EW around individual sites, but every net is finite, and Ukraine just hits whatever you didn’t harden this week. Each defended site ties up money, hardware, and manpower that scales linearly with the number of targets, while a single cheap drone that gets through pays for itself many times over. That asymmetry is why point defense of a dispersed target set is a losing proposition over time; it’s the same reason the Maginot Line and every other “fortify the whole frontier” scheme eventually got worked around rather than beaten head-on.
ancientweasel on
You forgot to quote „develops“.
There is no way this is going over a cracker 200Ft in the air strong enough to stop what is essentially a Cessna any time soon.
keepthepace on
But will it stop russian anti-missiles?
EmperorGeek on
> The structure has undergone field tests for seismic stability. At the same time, tests of the product’s resistance to strikes by various types of drones are ongoing.
That “ongoing” testing is apparently outsourced to a Ukrainian drone manufacturing Firm.
spooninacerealbowl on
New development from Russia’s Department of The Fence!
lemlurker on
Doesn’t help when they accidentally launch surface to air missiles at their own refinery
Caithloki on
Aren’t they making bunker Busters out of fence posts. I don’t think this would stop them.
tryatriassic on
The Nazis were planning to Move entire factories deep underground. See projekt riese. It was the same problem, the Allies had free reign of the skies and bombed everything. While they moved the v2. and other weapon manufacturing underground, the whole thing of course never scaled sufficiently and never fast enough
Memory_Less on
Exactly, so many choke points here it will be impossible to defend. My guess is the Ukrainians have already been working to address this and other potential defences. There are pipelines coming in and going out that are impossible to defend. Why not pivot to the oil fields and prevent the pumping simultaneously? Hit rail lines that bring repair crews to the site etc. It will be interesting to observe Ukraine’s strategy.
MaKoRaZe on
Looks to me as this is just a matter of designing better warheads, shaped changes, tandem charges and explosively formed penetrators etc… Not to mention its a nice indicator of the high value targets.
The drones we are seeing now are first generation types. Yea it will stop small FPV drones but nothing bigger.
cjc1983 on
„When the first drone strikes the net and dies…the second drone flies through the net and explodes“
-said as the NCO from Enemy at the Gates.
Gnaeus-Naevius on
The tank farms? If build like the image, I am not sure if they would survive a 50-100 kg warhead going off as it is, especially if there is enough metal for fragmentation. But a switch to EFP warheads would mean that no above ground tank is safe. But an EFP does not need to weigh 50kg, so if going that route, why not drop 10-15 above the farms and punchture several with one drone. Not sure precisely what 5kg EFP would do to a tank, but gasoline, for example, is incompressible, so a slug slamming into it at Mach 3 or whatever will cause a rupture on the opposite side.
Jungies on
The thing is, they’ve had nets around their refineries and oil tanks for a while, and they haven’t worked.
They had fixed mesh around the tanks, and in some of the Moscow footage you can see they’ve hung netting from the taller towers to cover the refinery.
Since I’ve only seen this stuff in footage featuring large out-of-control fires and explosions, I’m not convinced it worked.
Plus, where’s the money for this coming from? The government’s broke, the fuel companies have massive fucking repair bills will very little income coming in.
Andronicus_0 on
Thermite charge is required, just drop it through the gaps in the grid on top of the fuel tank! ….. A thermite grenade—like the US military’s AN-M14—is an incendiary device rather than an explosive. It uses a mixture of aluminum and metal oxides that reacts to produce intense heat exceeding 4,000°F (2,200°C) for up to 45 seconds. This is primarily used to melt through metal, destroy military equipment, or start fires, and it burns even underwater.
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Send himars
Momsbestboy on
I would just say thx. if Russia would be so nice to mark high value targets with a net and send two drones. The same idea worked before with a factory, which was worth sending some cruise missiles.
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Roll out the thermite-dispensing drones.
Yes, because this same idea has worked out so well on their tanks
Double tap, baby!!!
Well that’s closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Two stage drones it is then
Cope web
Meh, 2 or 3 drones to penetrate the protection and one to make things go boom
I wonder if you can do some math with velocity and distance and have the fuze to blow on contact after 10 ms or so. Kinda like bunker buster bombs that drill into the ground and explode.
So the drone hits the net and pushes forward and explodes near the target?
Idk im just some bitch
It’s a big project to protect the vulnerable and expensive parts of a refinery in this way.
Scale that up over multiple refineries and that makes it an even bigger feat.
It is evidence of the predicament russia is enjoying. They can spend and defend as hard as they want but Ukrainian innovation is remorseless. Either an effective response or a new target will be chosen. Defence of everything, everywhere is an impossible way to wage war.
In a crashing economy this is all money not spent where needed then wasted on insufficient defence. All to show that something is being done! (along with missile attacks on civilians in their homes).
And never, never acknowledging that russsia is responsible for this entire tragic waste. Or that they can end it immediately by discovering decency and sanity and Getting the Fuck Out Of Ukraine.
Such truth impugns. History will record with disgust the shame of russia to make war on its neighbour on bogus victim grounds then descend to volatile failed state status when subjected to a just and necessary response.
The AI image on the post is a bit misleading, the actual document depicts a totally different type of net arrangement.
At a guess, it looks like if the diagram is accurate and it works successfully it might slightly increase the number of hits required to blow up a target, but mostly would restrict angles of attack to steep top-attack approaches, since the top looks highly vulnerable. Which might be part of a larger AA strategy? It’s not clear and of course the diagram could be bullshit to begin with.
If nothing else, two drones following in close succession seem like they would defeat the defense, the first to collapse a net section and the second to exploit the collapse. It’s not like the site can dodge or evade after the first hit.
Better hurry and cause as much more damage while it’s easy Ukraine. That said, I’m sure the drones will be adapted to spill thermite or have directional charges or something. This is still cope at the end of the day. Just leave Ukraine! It’s a lot cheaper.
I have a better plan. Arrest Putin and withdraw their troops from foreign lands. No protection needed just like that.
This is basically Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban’s problem in reverse. Vauban was Louis XIV’s fortification engineer, the guy who built all those star-shaped forts along France’s borders and more or less wrote the book on siege warfare. His whole career ran into a wall every defensive theorist eventually hits: defense doesn’t scale. The more territory or the more sites you have to protect, the more resources it eats, and the cost curve just keeps climbing until it breaks your budget. Louis was going broke funding it. You can’t fortify everything, everywhere, forever; the attacker only has to be strong at one point, but the defender has to be strong at every point.
Russia’s oil infrastructure is that exact problem in 2026 form. Refineries, pump stations, depots, export terminals; thousands of kilometers of high-value, mostly stationary targets spread across a continent-sized landmass. You can throw drone nets, cope cages, and EW around individual sites, but every net is finite, and Ukraine just hits whatever you didn’t harden this week. Each defended site ties up money, hardware, and manpower that scales linearly with the number of targets, while a single cheap drone that gets through pays for itself many times over. That asymmetry is why point defense of a dispersed target set is a losing proposition over time; it’s the same reason the Maginot Line and every other “fortify the whole frontier” scheme eventually got worked around rather than beaten head-on.
You forgot to quote „develops“.
There is no way this is going over a cracker 200Ft in the air strong enough to stop what is essentially a Cessna any time soon.
But will it stop russian anti-missiles?
> The structure has undergone field tests for seismic stability. At the same time, tests of the product’s resistance to strikes by various types of drones are ongoing.
That “ongoing” testing is apparently outsourced to a Ukrainian drone manufacturing Firm.
New development from Russia’s Department of The Fence!
Doesn’t help when they accidentally launch surface to air missiles at their own refinery
Aren’t they making bunker Busters out of fence posts. I don’t think this would stop them.
The Nazis were planning to Move entire factories deep underground. See projekt riese. It was the same problem, the Allies had free reign of the skies and bombed everything. While they moved the v2. and other weapon manufacturing underground, the whole thing of course never scaled sufficiently and never fast enough
Exactly, so many choke points here it will be impossible to defend. My guess is the Ukrainians have already been working to address this and other potential defences. There are pipelines coming in and going out that are impossible to defend. Why not pivot to the oil fields and prevent the pumping simultaneously? Hit rail lines that bring repair crews to the site etc. It will be interesting to observe Ukraine’s strategy.
Looks to me as this is just a matter of designing better warheads, shaped changes, tandem charges and explosively formed penetrators etc… Not to mention its a nice indicator of the high value targets.
The drones we are seeing now are first generation types. Yea it will stop small FPV drones but nothing bigger.
„When the first drone strikes the net and dies…the second drone flies through the net and explodes“
-said as the NCO from Enemy at the Gates.
The tank farms? If build like the image, I am not sure if they would survive a 50-100 kg warhead going off as it is, especially if there is enough metal for fragmentation. But a switch to EFP warheads would mean that no above ground tank is safe. But an EFP does not need to weigh 50kg, so if going that route, why not drop 10-15 above the farms and punchture several with one drone. Not sure precisely what 5kg EFP would do to a tank, but gasoline, for example, is incompressible, so a slug slamming into it at Mach 3 or whatever will cause a rupture on the opposite side.
The thing is, they’ve had nets around their refineries and oil tanks for a while, and they haven’t worked.
They had fixed mesh around the tanks, and in some of the Moscow footage you can see they’ve hung netting from the taller towers to cover the refinery.
Since I’ve only seen this stuff in footage featuring large out-of-control fires and explosions, I’m not convinced it worked.
Plus, where’s the money for this coming from? The government’s broke, the fuel companies have massive fucking repair bills will very little income coming in.
Thermite charge is required, just drop it through the gaps in the grid on top of the fuel tank! ….. A thermite grenade—like the US military’s AN-M14—is an incendiary device rather than an explosive. It uses a mixture of aluminum and metal oxides that reacts to produce intense heat exceeding 4,000°F (2,200°C) for up to 45 seconds. This is primarily used to melt through metal, destroy military equipment, or start fires, and it burns even underwater.
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I would just say thx. if Russia would be so nice to mark high value targets with a net and send two drones. The same idea worked before with a factory, which was worth sending some cruise missiles.