What are they going to do? Prosecute every kid on a scooter?
YF422 on
Banning them aint going to solve the problem, horse has already bolted the stable on that subject.
Just need better enforcement against the scrotes acting the bollocks instead.
AulLad on
Yeah cause prohibition always works. Especially when there’s already tens of thousands of these in the country /s
Dry-Communication922 on
If Israel made e-scooters it would be a „complex situation“
ShaneGabriel87 on
This is beyond stupid. We’re not even going to come close to meeting a quarter of our climate targets by 2030, e-scooters should be encouraged as a form of transport in urban areas as an alternative to cars. The issue here is enforcement, something that seems to be a complete anathema to the current government.
Sitting on the fence about fucking everything other than increases in tax.
YoIronFistBro on
Leaning towards making Ireland even more car-dependent (and by existential, hostile to cyclists and pedestrians) than it currently is*
DaCor_ie on
If they are not banned, I think what we’ll end up seeing is something like a min age of 18, full helmet requirement and reducing the max speed to something like 15kph.
Straight-Jump-6813 on
Nanny stateism, let Darwinism run its course.
Naggins on
This’ll go about as well as the two bans on scramblers they’ve brought in so far
Boycott-all-Rats on
Yeah let’s kill mobility because of a few irresponsible parents
TwinIronBlood on
And when all the kids switch to micro electric bikes and start having accidents they’ll do what?
Fix the root cause of the problem.
Enforcement
Dependent_Survey_546 on
I think the correct course of action here is to hold the parents responsible. You cant have a guard assigned to every child to stop them doing silly/dangerous stuff on an escooter, but (almost) every child already has at least 1 parent in their life who can make these decisions and police their access to Escooters.
These scooters have their uses, but they’re also dangerous to everyone involved. A kid in the estate got one as recently as this past weekend, and now they’re doing laps of the estate on it. This would be fine as they’re not making noise or bothering me, but I saw how they’re driving it, including going on the wrong side of the street around a blind corner at speed. It only takes a car to be coming the opposite way once before theres a bad accident.
Education in this case could solve the problem, and the parent who bought them the thing has to take responsibility. its unreasonable to expect a Guard to appear in the estate and police this behaviour.
Deadbear4Lyf on
E Scooters when used correctly are a great mode of transport that gets people out of cars and is better for the environment. We should be encouraging them as much as possible.
Just because the worst of society are allowed to roam around on these like it’s the wild west without any deterrant doesn’t mean they should be taken off of the rest of us.
What a shit idea. Can we just let the guards knock them off their bikes / scooters with impunity and see how long this carry on lasts.
leicastreets on
Ban cars too while you’re at it Michael.
This whole issue is ridiculous. Are they annoying, yes. In the grand scheme of things they are a blip. Enforce road traffic laws where it’ll actually make a difference (the multi tonne vehicles capable of going 180km/h).
InfectedAztec on
Completely disagree with this. E scooters are a viable form of transport that give more people access to bike infrastructure and as a result warrant more investment in bike infrastructure.
The Taoiseach needs to accept that sometimes moderate governance is needed. Not a binary all or nothing. You can introduce a licence system, tax the bejesus out of them, only allow e scooters with a max speed, make it madatory to wear a helmet and yellow jacket on them or get the gardai to enforce current laws.
Successful-Bee-8911 on
Our Taoiseach has been great with these on the fence statements lately
LucyVialli on
There’s a complete ban on scramblers as well (in public places), but I still hear them most evenings at some point.
pxsschrist on
yes!! more car dependancy please!!
Backrow6 on
There are definitely benefits to them.
In a housing crisis where we’re trying to reduce car dependence these things put a hell of a lot more homes in commutable distance of a DART or LUAS line.
I don’t think they should be made as difficult as a car to get but it shouldn’t be possible for just anyone to import one.
Maybe some system of licenced importers, certified motors. You could have digitally signed firmware checkable on the Garda mobility app.
Whether we control them or ban them we need more Gardaí to actually enforce anything.
EBikes will replace them in a week if they are banned outright.
ClassicVaultBoy on
What will happen is that responsible adults will stop using them, adding further strain to public transport or traffic while the usual suspects will continue to speed on them, being a danger to themselves and the others with no repercussions.
John__Delaney on
There’s a guy I see decked out to the brim in high viz going around the town for the last year, he wears a helmet, stops at the lights, uses all the right hand signals etc.. his scooter has these big lights front and back. I usually see him at rush hour so imagine its for work.
Why does this guy have to get punished because the gardai won’t enforce the law, the CCPC wont enforce dodgy scooter sellers, and the government wont set out a proper framework to deal with the issue?
His scooter looks like it cost alot of money and overnight it could become worthless + have to be disposed of. While i hope people like him would turn to an ebike or public transport, its very likely he will end up in a car, adding to all the traffic, air congestion & expense that had people getting scooters in the first place.
Diligent-Ad4777 on
Michael Martin has no ideas other that to ban stuff. Colour me shocked. He’s usually such an enlightened and forward thinker
Electronic_Ad_6535 on
Next up, deliveroo drivers.
stunts002 on
The kind of people that are the problem on scooters are the kind of people who won’t give a shit if you ban them.
Fealocht on
The Irish government is doing the same thing as the UK. Competent governance is too difficult so just focus on banning stuff in the name of health and safety for easy political victories.
We are becoming a nation of Helen Lovejoys, developing policy based on edge cases.
TheUpIsJig on
Politicians are very good at making voters think they aren’t talking about them when they introduce more draconian nanny state laws.
Some voters are also very good at thinking this isn’t about them either.
However, a little modification here and there to the law, and the next thing you know, you are banned from public places if you don’t have a QR code armband with your identity on it.
I have to admit, though, I have met a few people who would be all for that. They just think it won’t include them for some reason.
The same people then ask how we got into this condition that the country is in.
Boggles the mind.
ConradMcduck on
Are people here really that naive? The problem isn’t regulation it’s enforcement and the fact that there’s fuck all.
Just like with the scramblers. Problem got so bad we banned them twice and they’re still rallying around killing people. You think banning scooters will be any different?
We don’t have a legislation/regulation problem, on the contrary we love legislating for stuff! But that’s all we do 😂
The government are literally doing the „we’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas meme“. Wasters.
Giraffable on
They are used effectively and safely every day in many cities across Europe. I use rented e scooters (Voi) for my daily commute in UK.
Gobshite666 on
Taoiseach also being pressured by Insurance companies to ban them, this was part of reason they were not allowed on Public transport anymore too.
They should be for over 18’s only and required a valid permit for them I believe. But an outright ban on a country with bad public transport and as is, this is utterly moronic
Kardashev_Type1 on
Jesus. Just enforce the existing traffic laws and rules of the road. CHRIST!
CiaranWest on
This is like vapes. Instead of tackling the actual problems of underage abuse they just come out with some draconian nonsense and hope it satisfies their voter base.
significantrisk on
So other countries let teenagers drive cars, but Ireland is such a unique and special place it’s impossible to find a way to make scooters work.
Least imaginative most useless possible option every fucking time with these clowns and their moronic gobshite voter base.
BrutallyHonest-- on
Ban on e scooters, ban on cigarettes, ban on porn and ban using hoses, what the fuck is happening in this country? I think the little knobheads driving e scooters need their comeuppance, but all I’m reading lately ban this and ban that
fuzzfrog on
Zero enforcement from the majority of Lardi. It not just scooters it all anti social behaviour. Laws need to be changed to allow robust enforcement
CthulhusSoreTentacle on
If it wasn’t scary how incompetent this government is, this would be comedy gold. I mean, how utterly devoid of creative thinking must one be that their initial idea in combating an issue in society is to just ban it? Especially when e-scooters have a place in dealing with Ireland’s transport and congestion issues.
And it’s even more absurd that this is off the back of injuries sustained by <16s using e-scooters, a section of society already legally prohibited from riding e-scooters. I mean this article even mentions Grace’s Law, a law which banned the usage of scramblers on public roads … when scramblers were already illegal to use on public roads prior to the passing of Grace’s Law.
Beckett couldn’t write absurdity half as well as this.
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What are they going to do? Prosecute every kid on a scooter?
Banning them aint going to solve the problem, horse has already bolted the stable on that subject.
Just need better enforcement against the scrotes acting the bollocks instead.
Yeah cause prohibition always works. Especially when there’s already tens of thousands of these in the country /s
If Israel made e-scooters it would be a „complex situation“
This is beyond stupid. We’re not even going to come close to meeting a quarter of our climate targets by 2030, e-scooters should be encouraged as a form of transport in urban areas as an alternative to cars. The issue here is enforcement, something that seems to be a complete anathema to the current government.
Leaning towards, contemplating, thinking of, pondering, considering…. fuck off.
Sitting on the fence about fucking everything other than increases in tax.
Leaning towards making Ireland even more car-dependent (and by existential, hostile to cyclists and pedestrians) than it currently is*
If they are not banned, I think what we’ll end up seeing is something like a min age of 18, full helmet requirement and reducing the max speed to something like 15kph.
Nanny stateism, let Darwinism run its course.
This’ll go about as well as the two bans on scramblers they’ve brought in so far
Yeah let’s kill mobility because of a few irresponsible parents
And when all the kids switch to micro electric bikes and start having accidents they’ll do what?
Fix the root cause of the problem.
Enforcement
I think the correct course of action here is to hold the parents responsible. You cant have a guard assigned to every child to stop them doing silly/dangerous stuff on an escooter, but (almost) every child already has at least 1 parent in their life who can make these decisions and police their access to Escooters.
These scooters have their uses, but they’re also dangerous to everyone involved. A kid in the estate got one as recently as this past weekend, and now they’re doing laps of the estate on it. This would be fine as they’re not making noise or bothering me, but I saw how they’re driving it, including going on the wrong side of the street around a blind corner at speed. It only takes a car to be coming the opposite way once before theres a bad accident.
Education in this case could solve the problem, and the parent who bought them the thing has to take responsibility. its unreasonable to expect a Guard to appear in the estate and police this behaviour.
E Scooters when used correctly are a great mode of transport that gets people out of cars and is better for the environment. We should be encouraging them as much as possible.
Just because the worst of society are allowed to roam around on these like it’s the wild west without any deterrant doesn’t mean they should be taken off of the rest of us.
What a shit idea. Can we just let the guards knock them off their bikes / scooters with impunity and see how long this carry on lasts.
Ban cars too while you’re at it Michael.
This whole issue is ridiculous. Are they annoying, yes. In the grand scheme of things they are a blip. Enforce road traffic laws where it’ll actually make a difference (the multi tonne vehicles capable of going 180km/h).
Completely disagree with this. E scooters are a viable form of transport that give more people access to bike infrastructure and as a result warrant more investment in bike infrastructure.
The Taoiseach needs to accept that sometimes moderate governance is needed. Not a binary all or nothing. You can introduce a licence system, tax the bejesus out of them, only allow e scooters with a max speed, make it madatory to wear a helmet and yellow jacket on them or get the gardai to enforce current laws.
Our Taoiseach has been great with these on the fence statements lately
There’s a complete ban on scramblers as well (in public places), but I still hear them most evenings at some point.
yes!! more car dependancy please!!
There are definitely benefits to them.
In a housing crisis where we’re trying to reduce car dependence these things put a hell of a lot more homes in commutable distance of a DART or LUAS line.
I don’t think they should be made as difficult as a car to get but it shouldn’t be possible for just anyone to import one.
Maybe some system of licenced importers, certified motors. You could have digitally signed firmware checkable on the Garda mobility app.
Whether we control them or ban them we need more Gardaí to actually enforce anything.
EBikes will replace them in a week if they are banned outright.
What will happen is that responsible adults will stop using them, adding further strain to public transport or traffic while the usual suspects will continue to speed on them, being a danger to themselves and the others with no repercussions.
There’s a guy I see decked out to the brim in high viz going around the town for the last year, he wears a helmet, stops at the lights, uses all the right hand signals etc.. his scooter has these big lights front and back. I usually see him at rush hour so imagine its for work.
Why does this guy have to get punished because the gardai won’t enforce the law, the CCPC wont enforce dodgy scooter sellers, and the government wont set out a proper framework to deal with the issue?
His scooter looks like it cost alot of money and overnight it could become worthless + have to be disposed of. While i hope people like him would turn to an ebike or public transport, its very likely he will end up in a car, adding to all the traffic, air congestion & expense that had people getting scooters in the first place.
Michael Martin has no ideas other that to ban stuff. Colour me shocked. He’s usually such an enlightened and forward thinker
Next up, deliveroo drivers.
The kind of people that are the problem on scooters are the kind of people who won’t give a shit if you ban them.
The Irish government is doing the same thing as the UK. Competent governance is too difficult so just focus on banning stuff in the name of health and safety for easy political victories.
We are becoming a nation of Helen Lovejoys, developing policy based on edge cases.
Politicians are very good at making voters think they aren’t talking about them when they introduce more draconian nanny state laws.
Some voters are also very good at thinking this isn’t about them either.
However, a little modification here and there to the law, and the next thing you know, you are banned from public places if you don’t have a QR code armband with your identity on it.
I have to admit, though, I have met a few people who would be all for that. They just think it won’t include them for some reason.
The same people then ask how we got into this condition that the country is in.
Boggles the mind.
Are people here really that naive? The problem isn’t regulation it’s enforcement and the fact that there’s fuck all.
Just like with the scramblers. Problem got so bad we banned them twice and they’re still rallying around killing people. You think banning scooters will be any different?
We don’t have a legislation/regulation problem, on the contrary we love legislating for stuff! But that’s all we do 😂
The government are literally doing the „we’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas meme“. Wasters.
They are used effectively and safely every day in many cities across Europe. I use rented e scooters (Voi) for my daily commute in UK.
Taoiseach also being pressured by Insurance companies to ban them, this was part of reason they were not allowed on Public transport anymore too.
They should be for over 18’s only and required a valid permit for them I believe. But an outright ban on a country with bad public transport and as is, this is utterly moronic
Jesus. Just enforce the existing traffic laws and rules of the road. CHRIST!
This is like vapes. Instead of tackling the actual problems of underage abuse they just come out with some draconian nonsense and hope it satisfies their voter base.
So other countries let teenagers drive cars, but Ireland is such a unique and special place it’s impossible to find a way to make scooters work.
Least imaginative most useless possible option every fucking time with these clowns and their moronic gobshite voter base.
Ban on e scooters, ban on cigarettes, ban on porn and ban using hoses, what the fuck is happening in this country? I think the little knobheads driving e scooters need their comeuppance, but all I’m reading lately ban this and ban that
Zero enforcement from the majority of Lardi. It not just scooters it all anti social behaviour. Laws need to be changed to allow robust enforcement
If it wasn’t scary how incompetent this government is, this would be comedy gold. I mean, how utterly devoid of creative thinking must one be that their initial idea in combating an issue in society is to just ban it? Especially when e-scooters have a place in dealing with Ireland’s transport and congestion issues.
And it’s even more absurd that this is off the back of injuries sustained by <16s using e-scooters, a section of society already legally prohibited from riding e-scooters. I mean this article even mentions Grace’s Law, a law which banned the usage of scramblers on public roads … when scramblers were already illegal to use on public roads prior to the passing of Grace’s Law.
Beckett couldn’t write absurdity half as well as this.