Mann starb, nachdem ihm zweimal gesagt wurde, dass kein Krankenwagen geschickt würde
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70yd2y6geyo
Von Anony_mouse202
Mann starb, nachdem ihm zweimal gesagt wurde, dass kein Krankenwagen geschickt würde
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70yd2y6geyo
Von Anony_mouse202
25 Kommentare
Absolutely terrible news, and I hope an investigation into how it can improve is completed.
I get its hindsight, but if I was in that situation I would be calling family / friends to try to get to the hospital myself.
The investigation will conclude they can „do better“ and there will be no consequences for this failure.
I’m tired boss.
Well Shit, His description of symptoms is the exact archetype for this needs ambulance now. It’s a clear failure of triage, likely wrongful death and an absolute indictment of that NHS trust.
Life is a lottery, powered by postcodes, genetics, and the competence of the people who are paid to save you when you need it.
God help us.
God rest his soul.
He even said „ok thank you bye bye“ he knew he was going to be left to die. Horrifying. I hope the person who dismissed him never forgets that.
A few months back I saw an elderly woman trip over the curb outside a business, she „bounced“ her head off the concrete, bleeding from her temple which covered her face, neck and soaked her blouse. 999 ummm and urred on the phone for about 40 minutes before finally agreeing to send an ambulance but warned „it may be a while“. In the end a security guard took her to the hospital in his car.
How sad man.. Begging for help only to be left to die alone. We all appreciate the NHS and ambulance service is struggling, but how the call handler dismissed his concerns is so brutal, like what do you have to say to get the help you need??
Way more people would die if they didn’t have loved ones advocating for them when they were ill. The NHS can fail spectacularly if not pushed to do what it should.
As a former 111 call handler I would have to listen to the call to make a judgement. If the caller was audibly breathless the call handler should recognise that and immediately manually trigger a cat1 ambulance, or if unsure raise a red flag, (in this case a literal red flag so that a clinician or manager could listen in to the call). If the patient was not audibly breathless it becomes a lot more difficult. Any system is only as good as the resources allocated to it, be they people or things.
Having said that an aortic dissection is bad, even had a cat1 been sent there is no guarantee the patient would have survived.
Absolutely horrifying, of the many challenges the nation faces the shortage of ambulances and hospital beds seems the most frightening.
I think this is almost a lesson to everyone at the minute and it won’t change in the foreseeable – that couid easily be any of us. Whilst I’m not saying this happens regularly – you pick the wrong time of day to have needs; you may be very unlucky.
„we’re quite busy in that area“
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect them to publish every call in a ten mile radius and the outcome of it. If every single shout was to a life saved then that’s unfortunate but fair. If they we’re all sent to stubbed toes then they should be held accountable.
Absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating. The idea of someone being so ill and so scared but also so patient in their last moments…
Back 10 years ago I developed chest pains, my back was painful also, it was the worst pain imaginable, like getting stabbed in the chest, on the first day I called 111 and they sent a ambulance, they came in and checked me over, vitals was okay, nothing was abnormal so they left, the next day the pain was getting worst, I couldn’t lie down in bed without my back being in agony so I called 111 again and another ambulance was sent, checked me over, vitals was fine, they must have thought it’s all in my head, on the third day I decided to go hospital and they did a xray, I had pneumonia, maybe I should have admitted myself sooner but I trusted the paramedics in telling me I was fine, different scenario but if I feel something is wrong now, I’ll just go A&E myself to get properly checked
Trot out the old „lessons will be learned to ensure this never happens again“, until next week.
So this is the service we get, despite paying tax at a hefty rate ? Is it wrong to feel people deserve better from public services ?
And what will the consequences be?
This country is deteriorating, sick and rotten.
You can bet if this poor man was a celebrity or was very wealthy this would never have happened The average person just doesn’t matter anymore it seems.
Look at the infected blood scandal, the post office scandal, water companies continued sewage dumping, Covid PPE corruption.
What happened to any of the purpertrators of these? Nothing. Because they’re wealthy and well-connected, and the victims are a bunch of *nobodies.*
I’m sick to death of hearing, „we spend more on the NHS than ever before.“ It’s completely irrelevant. It’s not enough if an ambulance doesn’t arrive before you die.
With an aortic dissection, the ambulance could have got there in 1 minute and had him on the table of a top cardiac surgeon within 15 minutes but the prognosis would still have been very, very poor.
That isn’t the point though, he deserved to get the best care possible and he didn’t. I just feel desperately sad for his family.
son was left on a road for two hours after a motorcycle accident…he had a head injury among other broken bones…
It seems like all services are failing and the only way to see any progress is by fighting to advocate for yourself several times. This isn’t exactly possible when you are literally dying.
Several months ago we phoned an ambulance for my 3yo son stating he was struggling to breathe (thankfully didn’t end up being serious),. We where told they could send an ambulance but it would be atleast 40 minutes likely longer. They then asked if we drive as it would be faster….that should never be a question as a resolution. That was a stressful drive and I accidentally jumped a red light which could have easily resulted in a crash. Luckily it was night time and not many others about.
Its the same with GPs. Patients having to fight for referals but being fobbed off.
People claiming benefits who are genuinely in need having to fight and needing to appeal several times before finally getting what they are clearly eligible for.
The police. Do they even investigate any crime nowadays? Certainly doesn’t seem like they do much.
The GPs, call handlers, Paramedics etc all do their best but they are stressed, under staffed and under paid with an impossible to handle workload.
All the tax you pay every month and this is what you get in return
Really makes you hate the system
Remember the nhs is the “envy of the world” and a example of “the type of country the uk is”
OK so story time.
Last Sunday I rang emergency services because I had the symptoms of a TIA(I had a cryptogenic stroke 15 years ago when I was 22), they said a clinician would ring back within 2 hours.
2 and a half hours later a receptionist rang back to say the doctor would be calling soon. 2 hours after that I got a call off a ‚doctor‘ who told me to go to the GP for a check up the day after.
Monday rolls around, call the doctor, no appointments obviously, pathogy is on strike so they won’t do any blood tests, doctor will ring you soon. A few hours later the receptionist called, doctor refuses to see you, ypu have to go to hospital…. Finished work early and went to hospital…
Logged in and sat there for 3 hours, when I checked why it was taking so long, „oops, you were meant to come and talk to reception again“… Bloods taken thank the gods, physical test reassured me there was no immediate danger, go to reception and get told I have to come back at 1am for the results. They won’t call me back with them….
Get back at 1am, couple of slight elevations but nothing worrying „can you wait here for another couple of hours for the results of an additional test?“ I have work in the morning but sure I can be tired at work I guess….
4.30am rolls around, pathology won’t answer the phone, go home and I’ll ring you if the results are unexpected….
Obviously I still have to go to work throughout this as the company I work for uses the Bradford scale and I had already taken a couple of days off this year for a stomach bug and a fall that damaged my knee.
Go to the TIA clinic the next day to get a neck scan, everything is grand. Get told I am getting booked for an MRI and should get a call soon. No call.
Next day rolls around and I ring the clinic, „you’ll have to ring MRI yourself to chase“…. do so, to be told „you’ve not had a CT so we have bounced it back.“ „Who do I book a CT with?“ „us“, „can’t I book it now then?“ „No, call the clinc back“.
Health anxiety is in full force by this point, thankfully the TIA clinic sorts it within an hour after telling me on rhe system it was already approved. Get 2 calls from the reception with the booking because there’s noone in charge apparently.
Have the MRI on Friday morning, arm goes a bit wierd on Friday night, is it anxiety, it it a TIA or stroke? Nuts to navigating this again with work in the morning, if I die, I die….
That’s what the NHS has become. No cohesion, responsibility or actual care standards. Just bounce the patient around as much as possible and hopefully he will just drop dead before we use any resources, and I am pretty confident dealing with these systems, I’m just tired and ground down, but if something is wrong it has taken so long to get tested that something could have happened since and probably has.
How many people should die to privatize the NHS, it is beyond repair, it is just black hole at this point. It is getting all tax money, but still it can’t provide even basic emergency services. God bless who lost their lives.