Mehr als 200.000 PLN spendeten Zloty für polnisches Kunsthandwerksgeschäft in Warschau, nachdem es zerstört wurde, weil es sich gegen antiukrainische Belästigungen gewehrt hatte
It’s a nice gesture (it’s also widely supported by Ukrainians, Belarusians), we must show that we do not accept any kind of violence or threats towards Ukrainians and Poles that publicly support them, this has to be solved on government level and with politicians, historians.
We cannot accept any kind of violance from street thugs
AluArggone31 on
Sad
MehmetNY on
I stayed in Poland for about a year in 2022.(I still visit once a year).
There was nothing like this atmosphere towards Ukrainians and foreigners.
tbh yeah, there were some, but not to this extent.
What has happened to Poland?
Altruistic_Exit7947 on
Can you stop posting updates every 20k PLN? Last post is perfectly visible.
We sympathize with the owner, and it is great cause but this frequency is getting silly. Try doing them with more meaningful changes.
devilmaycare347 on
How do you know why the store was vandalized?
dumbasPL on
Watch it get vandalized again in a couple weeks/months.
EleventhTier666 on
I think there’s a 90% chance that the shop owners vandalized it themselves or paid someone to do it, and then tipped off the press for publicity. No one else would have the motivation to do something so risky, no one cares whether that shop is pro or anti-Ukrainian, while the owner had an excellent incentive of getting free publicity.
Sea_Slide_1692 on
Just imagine this would haplen in Britain to polski sklep…
Egzo18 on
The amount of people commenting without knowing whats going on is incredible
niceufo777 on
WE MUST SEPARATE THE STATE FROM THE PEOPLE! State == people, just because the Ukrainian state is anti-Polish doesn’t mean all Ukrainians are like that; they came to Poland for a reason.
tdi on
Now the second attack: tax office
Drzewkoslaw on
Im right wing myself, at least according to people i met in the UK.
I was very stupid, probably still am 🙂 i believed in the russian bs in Donbass, i was pro russian mostly due to meme culture (yes, memes can do that to teens). Mostly for Ukraine i was sympathetic aside from UPA, obviously.
2022 came and i got killswitched. Woke up. Felt ashamed on how stupid i was and i was spreading fslse narrative.
I was on the border for over a month, seen shot through buses, wounded people, Ukrainians and foreigners fleeing.
I write all this hopefully for context. Many right wingers in Poland can be split into few categories, some of them being:
– russian useful idiots (formerly me i guess)
– traditional conserves
– actual fascist, they’re luckily minority
– Korwin/Braun meme idiocracy
– people assigned to right despite being sth else typically not left enough
Importantly;
– major group is uneducated worker class, mostly younger males (up to 40), including generic rabble like football hooligans, dresiarze/chavs, troubleseekers, banditry, manipulated people with learning difficulties.
I believe that a lot of the issues we see today is a mix of factors, but it can be boiled down to troublemakers and banditry getting a sort of green light to conduct shitty behaviour whenever something happens. Sometimes it’s a football match, sometimes its a dubious clickbaity article title, misinformation, or actual event. Either way people seek reason and shield themselves behind it.
That’s how we end with BPG/ROG idiots, thats how we see Marsz Niepodległości being desecrated with hooliganry.
How hard is it, to march, express your points and i.e. not attack a person, not vandalize something?
Why on Marsz Niepodległości people cover faces, toss flares, some even use germanic symbols?! Why not dress elegantly, shown dignity to the nation you claim to love?
I dont know Context too well on this specific shop, i presume it was that lady who thumbed down the march, but idk the rest of what caused this, and who did the damage.
To me right wing is being against extreme change, sticking my guns to some values or the way we live. It is not to harass others, its pointless.
I can only guess on how to fix it. Probably all political sides could contribute to „civilise the right“(and left). We demonize the „other side“ despite hopefully all of us having same goal of making and keeping Poland a fantastic country it really is.
With some luck people would stop paying attention to obvious leeches (Tusk, Kaczynski, Braun, Mentzen, Kohut, and others), stop playing the besieged syndrome game and actually discuss constructively and meet somewhere in the middle on most issues.
Unfortunately one of main Polish buffs and debuffs is that many of us go 100% in as long as its on their side, or are closed and hostile otherwise.
Being right wing does not make me hate my Ukrainian neighbours. It does not want me to attack LGBT people. I have no urge in burning down mosques or churches (im nit Christian).
Let’s hope that new generations from all political sides will learn to live together. For better Polska.
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It’s a nice gesture (it’s also widely supported by Ukrainians, Belarusians), we must show that we do not accept any kind of violence or threats towards Ukrainians and Poles that publicly support them, this has to be solved on government level and with politicians, historians.
We cannot accept any kind of violance from street thugs
Sad
I stayed in Poland for about a year in 2022.(I still visit once a year).
There was nothing like this atmosphere towards Ukrainians and foreigners.
tbh yeah, there were some, but not to this extent.
What has happened to Poland?
Can you stop posting updates every 20k PLN? Last post is perfectly visible.
We sympathize with the owner, and it is great cause but this frequency is getting silly. Try doing them with more meaningful changes.
How do you know why the store was vandalized?
Watch it get vandalized again in a couple weeks/months.
I think there’s a 90% chance that the shop owners vandalized it themselves or paid someone to do it, and then tipped off the press for publicity. No one else would have the motivation to do something so risky, no one cares whether that shop is pro or anti-Ukrainian, while the owner had an excellent incentive of getting free publicity.
Just imagine this would haplen in Britain to polski sklep…
The amount of people commenting without knowing whats going on is incredible
WE MUST SEPARATE THE STATE FROM THE PEOPLE! State == people, just because the Ukrainian state is anti-Polish doesn’t mean all Ukrainians are like that; they came to Poland for a reason.
Now the second attack: tax office
Im right wing myself, at least according to people i met in the UK.
I was very stupid, probably still am 🙂 i believed in the russian bs in Donbass, i was pro russian mostly due to meme culture (yes, memes can do that to teens). Mostly for Ukraine i was sympathetic aside from UPA, obviously.
2022 came and i got killswitched. Woke up. Felt ashamed on how stupid i was and i was spreading fslse narrative.
I was on the border for over a month, seen shot through buses, wounded people, Ukrainians and foreigners fleeing.
I write all this hopefully for context. Many right wingers in Poland can be split into few categories, some of them being:
– russian useful idiots (formerly me i guess)
– traditional conserves
– actual fascist, they’re luckily minority
– Korwin/Braun meme idiocracy
– people assigned to right despite being sth else typically not left enough
Importantly;
– major group is uneducated worker class, mostly younger males (up to 40), including generic rabble like football hooligans, dresiarze/chavs, troubleseekers, banditry, manipulated people with learning difficulties.
I believe that a lot of the issues we see today is a mix of factors, but it can be boiled down to troublemakers and banditry getting a sort of green light to conduct shitty behaviour whenever something happens. Sometimes it’s a football match, sometimes its a dubious clickbaity article title, misinformation, or actual event. Either way people seek reason and shield themselves behind it.
That’s how we end with BPG/ROG idiots, thats how we see Marsz Niepodległości being desecrated with hooliganry.
How hard is it, to march, express your points and i.e. not attack a person, not vandalize something?
Why on Marsz Niepodległości people cover faces, toss flares, some even use germanic symbols?! Why not dress elegantly, shown dignity to the nation you claim to love?
I dont know Context too well on this specific shop, i presume it was that lady who thumbed down the march, but idk the rest of what caused this, and who did the damage.
To me right wing is being against extreme change, sticking my guns to some values or the way we live. It is not to harass others, its pointless.
I can only guess on how to fix it. Probably all political sides could contribute to „civilise the right“(and left). We demonize the „other side“ despite hopefully all of us having same goal of making and keeping Poland a fantastic country it really is.
With some luck people would stop paying attention to obvious leeches (Tusk, Kaczynski, Braun, Mentzen, Kohut, and others), stop playing the besieged syndrome game and actually discuss constructively and meet somewhere in the middle on most issues.
Unfortunately one of main Polish buffs and debuffs is that many of us go 100% in as long as its on their side, or are closed and hostile otherwise.
Being right wing does not make me hate my Ukrainian neighbours. It does not want me to attack LGBT people. I have no urge in burning down mosques or churches (im nit Christian).
Let’s hope that new generations from all political sides will learn to live together. For better Polska.