Ketamine can mess you up pretty bad. Look at Elon. I also know some people’s relatives that need all sorts of medical help because of K. Don’t get a habit unless you’ve got some good insurance at least.
Phydeaux23 on
Cannabis OD isn’t helpful, but I’m with you on the psychedelics
SlySychoGamer on
ketamine is good now…ok
Ok_Bookkeeper_4511 on
People have definitely died from ketamine..
oldandbald123 on
Peruvian here
Ayahuasca can be dangerous IF not made correctly and only few people know how to make it right. Tourist had died trying to do Ayahuasca from posers and scam artists
MikeyWontLikeIt on
TIL You can just put „therapy“ after something to make it less harmful
AusCan531 on
I had a discussion with my University professor decades ago when he argues that legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco caused more harm than the illegal one. I asked him to draw 2 columns on the blackboard labelling one ‚LEGAL‘ and one ‚ILLEGAL‘ then populate the columns with various substances. Once he did that, I asked him to explain his rationale for wanting to move more substances into the LEGAL column. He had nothing.
burgonies on
Lost me a ketamine
gambler_addict_06 on
This a fuckin joke? Someone please tell me it’s a joke
r00dit on
Actually you will note they make things that can alter your reality, sense of perspective… they make THOSE illegal. Because they want to keep us firmly grounded in their narrative. Come on, we all know it’s not about safety. Or even „money“. It’s about controlling our internal perspectives as that has huge impact on the story unfolding on the planet.
closetgrowndank79 on
You forgot the weed!
GeneralCrunk on
Can’t charge people for the cure if they aren’t sick.
OzzieNewYork on
glaring omission: sugar
1. Most Americans are so addicted they can’t even go a morning without getting a fix.
2. abuse guarantees you lose years off your life. Heavy users die by their 60s and even get limbs amputated before hand.
status: so legal its pushed on kids from cradle
lastcallhall on
Just say you want to do drugs bro.
jmad16 on
Didn’t Matthew Perry die from using Ketamine?
aquacaterpillar on
Mushrooms gave me psychosis for like 6 months
TheGreatMightyLeffe on
Out of these, the only two I can really say are „safe“ are shrooms and weed, MDMA might not be lethal, but it inhibits your serotonin production, Ketamine can absolutely kill you, and ayahuasca is a pretty potent poison if not properly dosed.
Internal-Egg3153 on
Abought….
Zanthous on
Looks like the restictions are working
Educational_Bike4476 on
This is maybe partially true in spirit, but has significant flaws. First of all, what’s your actual point regarding ketamine and MDMA therapy? They’re both legal in a lot of places, and the reason they cause zero deaths is that these statistics are for small doses in clinical settings, while the opioid overdoses are all from people taking opioids either illicitly or taking FAR more than prescribed. People OD on ketamine and mdma fairly often when using them recreationally; a more fair comparison would be how many people die from the amount of opiates they give you in the hospital, which is pretty much nobody. And there’s no narcan for MDMA or ketamine.
Marijuana can be quite lethal to people with heart problems but the cause of death is always attributed to the heart problem. This can even be true with ayahuasca, psylocybin, and even other psychedelics like LSD.
Meanwhile the things on the other list require chronic overconsumption to kill you with and fast food especially will not do so in reasonable amounts. Without air pollution you wouldn’t have many medical advances that extend your lifespan, or a phone to post bad science on this sub. Unfortunate as pollution might be, the only way around it is to destroy industrial civilization and die of diseases or accelerate the development of clean and sustainable energy, accepting the short term costs. Even if we pursued the anti-tech route that would just enable developing countries who REALLY don’t give a fuck about us to keep polluting while they steamroll our civilization.
Alcohol and tobacco are really the only ones that are somewhat valid, but they’re legal essentially because they’ve always been legal and consumed by too many people to ban. Prohibition just led to extreme backlash and people killing themselves by drinking the methanol they used as a denaturant. If you banned smoking people would probably straight up smoke pesticide. It’s fair to say it’s inconsistent to allow these two but ban some of the others, and I’m of the mindset that people should be free to choose, but this is totally misleading hysteria bait
Apprehensive_Ad4457 on
omg, bro
„abought“?
i love you to death, and i completely understand why you did that because through and thorough sound like about, but why do that to yourself? you have the world at your fingertips, you can look up any benign thing and become an expert.
anyway, to answer your question:
history. history is why.
because we didn’t just start understanding these things today, we’ve known about them. and in that history we realized that control over populations is less deadly than allowing them to understand.
perhaps things would be different today, seeing as everything is different today. BUT
just because things change quickly due to technology doesn’t mean that the mechanisms created to limit our abilities has stopped.
the single most important goal for humanity over the last 10 thousand years or more has been to continue our existence in a way that is beneficial to the most people.
there have been different opinions on which way is most beneficial, but generally it’s been the most cooperative societies that have succeeded.
enlightenment happening in the background has played a huge role, no doubt, but control has always been, and will continue to be, the best way to influence human existence.
urbansamurai13 on
Ignoring the fact that some of what you said is incorrect.. Are you just finding out how your government doesn’t give a shit about anyone and how human rights is just a huge lie?
mantecadecanelon on
I smoked weed for 7 years, it was really harmfull for me, glad I stopped.
AdventureUSA on
>abaught
XeonProductions on
They already tried to ban alcohol, that didn’t work out too well.
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Ketamine can mess you up pretty bad. Look at Elon. I also know some people’s relatives that need all sorts of medical help because of K. Don’t get a habit unless you’ve got some good insurance at least.
Cannabis OD isn’t helpful, but I’m with you on the psychedelics
ketamine is good now…ok
People have definitely died from ketamine..
Peruvian here
Ayahuasca can be dangerous IF not made correctly and only few people know how to make it right. Tourist had died trying to do Ayahuasca from posers and scam artists
TIL You can just put „therapy“ after something to make it less harmful
I had a discussion with my University professor decades ago when he argues that legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco caused more harm than the illegal one. I asked him to draw 2 columns on the blackboard labelling one ‚LEGAL‘ and one ‚ILLEGAL‘ then populate the columns with various substances. Once he did that, I asked him to explain his rationale for wanting to move more substances into the LEGAL column. He had nothing.
Lost me a ketamine
This a fuckin joke? Someone please tell me it’s a joke
Actually you will note they make things that can alter your reality, sense of perspective… they make THOSE illegal. Because they want to keep us firmly grounded in their narrative. Come on, we all know it’s not about safety. Or even „money“. It’s about controlling our internal perspectives as that has huge impact on the story unfolding on the planet.
You forgot the weed!
Can’t charge people for the cure if they aren’t sick.
glaring omission: sugar
1. Most Americans are so addicted they can’t even go a morning without getting a fix.
2. abuse guarantees you lose years off your life. Heavy users die by their 60s and even get limbs amputated before hand.
status: so legal its pushed on kids from cradle
Just say you want to do drugs bro.
Didn’t Matthew Perry die from using Ketamine?
Mushrooms gave me psychosis for like 6 months
Out of these, the only two I can really say are „safe“ are shrooms and weed, MDMA might not be lethal, but it inhibits your serotonin production, Ketamine can absolutely kill you, and ayahuasca is a pretty potent poison if not properly dosed.
Abought….
Looks like the restictions are working
This is maybe partially true in spirit, but has significant flaws. First of all, what’s your actual point regarding ketamine and MDMA therapy? They’re both legal in a lot of places, and the reason they cause zero deaths is that these statistics are for small doses in clinical settings, while the opioid overdoses are all from people taking opioids either illicitly or taking FAR more than prescribed. People OD on ketamine and mdma fairly often when using them recreationally; a more fair comparison would be how many people die from the amount of opiates they give you in the hospital, which is pretty much nobody. And there’s no narcan for MDMA or ketamine.
Marijuana can be quite lethal to people with heart problems but the cause of death is always attributed to the heart problem. This can even be true with ayahuasca, psylocybin, and even other psychedelics like LSD.
Meanwhile the things on the other list require chronic overconsumption to kill you with and fast food especially will not do so in reasonable amounts. Without air pollution you wouldn’t have many medical advances that extend your lifespan, or a phone to post bad science on this sub. Unfortunate as pollution might be, the only way around it is to destroy industrial civilization and die of diseases or accelerate the development of clean and sustainable energy, accepting the short term costs. Even if we pursued the anti-tech route that would just enable developing countries who REALLY don’t give a fuck about us to keep polluting while they steamroll our civilization.
Alcohol and tobacco are really the only ones that are somewhat valid, but they’re legal essentially because they’ve always been legal and consumed by too many people to ban. Prohibition just led to extreme backlash and people killing themselves by drinking the methanol they used as a denaturant. If you banned smoking people would probably straight up smoke pesticide. It’s fair to say it’s inconsistent to allow these two but ban some of the others, and I’m of the mindset that people should be free to choose, but this is totally misleading hysteria bait
omg, bro
„abought“?
i love you to death, and i completely understand why you did that because through and thorough sound like about, but why do that to yourself? you have the world at your fingertips, you can look up any benign thing and become an expert.
anyway, to answer your question:
history. history is why.
because we didn’t just start understanding these things today, we’ve known about them. and in that history we realized that control over populations is less deadly than allowing them to understand.
perhaps things would be different today, seeing as everything is different today. BUT
just because things change quickly due to technology doesn’t mean that the mechanisms created to limit our abilities has stopped.
the single most important goal for humanity over the last 10 thousand years or more has been to continue our existence in a way that is beneficial to the most people.
there have been different opinions on which way is most beneficial, but generally it’s been the most cooperative societies that have succeeded.
enlightenment happening in the background has played a huge role, no doubt, but control has always been, and will continue to be, the best way to influence human existence.
Ignoring the fact that some of what you said is incorrect.. Are you just finding out how your government doesn’t give a shit about anyone and how human rights is just a huge lie?
I smoked weed for 7 years, it was really harmfull for me, glad I stopped.
>abaught
They already tried to ban alcohol, that didn’t work out too well.