no money for training official teams to a high level, and the national sports are either ice hockey, finnish baseball or other wintersports.
Helmdacil on
Italy has not been to a WC in 12 years. Absolute stunner. I had no idea it was so bad. It will not be until at least 16 years!
Seed_Oil_Consoomer on
does anyone know if any balts, moldovans, belarusians + (caucasians and central asians) were part of any ussr world cup squad?
same goes for montenegro and kosovo (doubtful) as part of serbia and montenegro and north macedonia as part of yugoslavia?
Unlikely_Ad11 on
They dedicate more time to playing the vastly superior sport of hockey.
ETA: And they’re World Champions!
Gastarbeiter31 on
Focus on Ice Hockey
rabit115 on
The Baltics would’ve qualified while under the Soviet occupation and under the soviet flag so I wouldn’t count those.
Intelligent_Laugh576 on
„According to this source, ice hockey is the most popular sport in Finland and Latvia. In Estonia and Lithuania, the favourite sport is basketball. And in Ireland, unsurprisingly, it is Gaelic football.“
30ThousandVariants on
North Macedonia did not exist in 1986. Why is it red?
Yugoslavia was at the 1990 World Cup, so North Macedonia was too.
nolnogax on
Just give them four wheels or a hockey stick and you have a winner. Football simply isn’t their main interest.
greekscientist on
Meanwhile 8 countries qualified last time as part of Yugoslavia and USSR.
lendlevtaldrik on
The Baltics do not recognize qualifications of the occupying Soviet Union as their qualification. We view the USSR as an explicitly *foreign* state throughout its existence.
And by all metrics, they are also developed states.
Eproxeri on
I am a Finn. There has never been a huge football culture in Finland, although it seems to be on the rise as of late, Finland made European championship for the first time in 2020. We are pretty good at other team sports though like Basketball and Volleyball, atleast better than the other Nordics. However hockey trumps everything here. It is by far the biggest sport in Finland via every metric and the gap is not even close.
Qualifying to the World Cup in Europe is a pretty tall task when you look at the competition. I mean, even Italy hasnt made it in a long time tells you a lot.
cleaner007 on
Did you just called Albania undeveloped 🤣
romeo_pentium on
Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia did not participate in the 1986 World Cup. Their governments were in exile in Washington DC. The occupying power sent a team, but the occupation was de facto rather than de jure.
Qxotl on
They have a world class ice hockey team and a solid basketball team. You can’t expect a country with a population of 5.5 million to be good at every sport.
TheBusStop12 on
Finns like Ice hockey, motor sports, floorball, Finnish baseball and skiing. Football simply isn’t that popular.
Finland won the Ice Hockey World Cup this year, and has the most formula 1 winners per capita
adamwho on
Well how good is Brazil at winter sports?
Different countries can have different interests.
azhder on
Whose day was it to post this?
Dragamer7 on
POV; monaco and luxembourg that see the post
Infinite_Ad_6443 on
>They are only developed country that never qualified for World Cup.
isn’t true.
Albania never qualified for the World Cup.
Infinite_Ad_6443 on
>They are only developed country that never qualified for World Cup.
is a false statement.
Luxemburg never qualified for the World Cup.
Kaltsu02 on
Finland has long winters so its not amusing to play with frozen balls (no pun intended). Its more fun to play ice hockey in Finland for many in wintertime.
neityght on
We have a small population and a low interest in football. Is Luxembourg not developed? Lol
Brave-Two372 on
BS map. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania didn’t even exist in 1986.
jay_altair on
Because they are good at hockey
Extension_Ad6758 on
Tbf I don’t know. Football culture has never been that big here, but it still has by far the most practitioners out of all sports and the funding (although not nearly as good as say, Norway) is still alright. It’s almost baffling.
chefRL on
Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia should’ve been green
Kulkuljator on
Imagine if Vatican city national team qualifies to world cup before Finland and Albania
Spirited-Ad-9746 on
We reached the fourth place in the Stockholm olympics in 1912. After that we decided to give the other teams a chance too and moved on to other things.
Also there is a study that says success in football world cup correlates with occurrence of toxoplasmosis in population. So i guess we need more cats?
JanneGonzales on
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus never
Altruistic-Fox4625 on
Finland are very good at hockey and they have well over 50,000 registered players. The hockey world, however, is tiny compared to the football world. It’s basically CAN, USA, RUS, SWE, FIN, CZE, CH, GER, SLO, DEN, NOR, AUT and LAT. CAN and the USA have close to 500,000 players, Russia 100,000. Sweden has 60,000. Small wonder the Finns are world-class in hockey, which compared to football is a very expensive sport requiring a lot of infrastructure and equipment. However, Finland has only 140,000 registered football players, a sport for which you basically need a ball, some boots, and an empty stretch of land. Compare that to Scotland’s nearly 500,000 footie players, or Canada’s 1 million. Both Finland and Scotland have about 5.5 million inhabitants. Scotland have nearly four times as many football players, yet they are lightyears from being world-class at football with the exception of their great fans. So where would you expect Finland to be?
Radiant_Priority1995 on
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus and Moldova qualified as the USSR, and North Macedonia, Kosovo and Montenegro qualified as Yugoslavia. None of them ever qualified independently.
Gravesens1stTouch on
I’ll try to draft an actually decent answer. I’ve been an avid Finland supporter all my life and worked in the youth system.
Given the number of registered players, the resources and everything else, Finland should have had a decent chance of succeeding. Many countries have other popular sports and people supporting their Barcas and Arsenals.
It’s partially luck/chance that has made Slovakia, B&H, Slovenia and Iceland qualify and Finland not. But what has reduced the odds for us even further:
1) Late professionalization of the domestic league. The top flight was largely amateur until 90s and the Finnish system didnt offer the academy path to professional football while other European nations did. The system is still lagging behind in many ways.
2) Misguided policies in 2000s, with focus on training individuals‘ technique instead of decision-making and skills in high-intensity play. Low tempo in Finland made it hard for the players to adapt to more demanding environments. Some say that the emphasis on footy as hobby for many over developing the top talent played a part too.
3) Poor picks for head coaches for the golden generation (qualifiers for 2006 and 2010 FWC)
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no money for training official teams to a high level, and the national sports are either ice hockey, finnish baseball or other wintersports.
Italy has not been to a WC in 12 years. Absolute stunner. I had no idea it was so bad. It will not be until at least 16 years!
does anyone know if any balts, moldovans, belarusians + (caucasians and central asians) were part of any ussr world cup squad?
same goes for montenegro and kosovo (doubtful) as part of serbia and montenegro and north macedonia as part of yugoslavia?
They dedicate more time to playing the vastly superior sport of hockey.
ETA: And they’re World Champions!
Focus on Ice Hockey
The Baltics would’ve qualified while under the Soviet occupation and under the soviet flag so I wouldn’t count those.
„According to this source, ice hockey is the most popular sport in Finland and Latvia. In Estonia and Lithuania, the favourite sport is basketball. And in Ireland, unsurprisingly, it is Gaelic football.“
North Macedonia did not exist in 1986. Why is it red?
Yugoslavia was at the 1990 World Cup, so North Macedonia was too.
Just give them four wheels or a hockey stick and you have a winner. Football simply isn’t their main interest.
Meanwhile 8 countries qualified last time as part of Yugoslavia and USSR.
The Baltics do not recognize qualifications of the occupying Soviet Union as their qualification. We view the USSR as an explicitly *foreign* state throughout its existence.
And by all metrics, they are also developed states.
I am a Finn. There has never been a huge football culture in Finland, although it seems to be on the rise as of late, Finland made European championship for the first time in 2020. We are pretty good at other team sports though like Basketball and Volleyball, atleast better than the other Nordics. However hockey trumps everything here. It is by far the biggest sport in Finland via every metric and the gap is not even close.
Qualifying to the World Cup in Europe is a pretty tall task when you look at the competition. I mean, even Italy hasnt made it in a long time tells you a lot.
Did you just called Albania undeveloped 🤣
Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia did not participate in the 1986 World Cup. Their governments were in exile in Washington DC. The occupying power sent a team, but the occupation was de facto rather than de jure.
They have a world class ice hockey team and a solid basketball team. You can’t expect a country with a population of 5.5 million to be good at every sport.
Finns like Ice hockey, motor sports, floorball, Finnish baseball and skiing. Football simply isn’t that popular.
Finland won the Ice Hockey World Cup this year, and has the most formula 1 winners per capita
Well how good is Brazil at winter sports?
Different countries can have different interests.
Whose day was it to post this?
POV; monaco and luxembourg that see the post
>They are only developed country that never qualified for World Cup.
isn’t true.
Albania never qualified for the World Cup.
>They are only developed country that never qualified for World Cup.
is a false statement.
Luxemburg never qualified for the World Cup.
Finland has long winters so its not amusing to play with frozen balls (no pun intended). Its more fun to play ice hockey in Finland for many in wintertime.
We have a small population and a low interest in football. Is Luxembourg not developed? Lol
BS map. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania didn’t even exist in 1986.
Because they are good at hockey
Tbf I don’t know. Football culture has never been that big here, but it still has by far the most practitioners out of all sports and the funding (although not nearly as good as say, Norway) is still alright. It’s almost baffling.
Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia should’ve been green
Imagine if Vatican city national team qualifies to world cup before Finland and Albania
We reached the fourth place in the Stockholm olympics in 1912. After that we decided to give the other teams a chance too and moved on to other things.
Also there is a study that says success in football world cup correlates with occurrence of toxoplasmosis in population. So i guess we need more cats?
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus never
Finland are very good at hockey and they have well over 50,000 registered players. The hockey world, however, is tiny compared to the football world. It’s basically CAN, USA, RUS, SWE, FIN, CZE, CH, GER, SLO, DEN, NOR, AUT and LAT. CAN and the USA have close to 500,000 players, Russia 100,000. Sweden has 60,000. Small wonder the Finns are world-class in hockey, which compared to football is a very expensive sport requiring a lot of infrastructure and equipment. However, Finland has only 140,000 registered football players, a sport for which you basically need a ball, some boots, and an empty stretch of land. Compare that to Scotland’s nearly 500,000 footie players, or Canada’s 1 million. Both Finland and Scotland have about 5.5 million inhabitants. Scotland have nearly four times as many football players, yet they are lightyears from being world-class at football with the exception of their great fans. So where would you expect Finland to be?
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus and Moldova qualified as the USSR, and North Macedonia, Kosovo and Montenegro qualified as Yugoslavia. None of them ever qualified independently.
I’ll try to draft an actually decent answer. I’ve been an avid Finland supporter all my life and worked in the youth system.
Given the number of registered players, the resources and everything else, Finland should have had a decent chance of succeeding. Many countries have other popular sports and people supporting their Barcas and Arsenals.
It’s partially luck/chance that has made Slovakia, B&H, Slovenia and Iceland qualify and Finland not. But what has reduced the odds for us even further:
1) Late professionalization of the domestic league. The top flight was largely amateur until 90s and the Finnish system didnt offer the academy path to professional football while other European nations did. The system is still lagging behind in many ways.
2) Misguided policies in 2000s, with focus on training individuals‘ technique instead of decision-making and skills in high-intensity play. Low tempo in Finland made it hard for the players to adapt to more demanding environments. Some say that the emphasis on footy as hobby for many over developing the top talent played a part too.
3) Poor picks for head coaches for the golden generation (qualifiers for 2006 and 2010 FWC)