Mann verhaftet, nachdem Kleinkind in Krokodilgehege gelandet war, „nicht für ein Interview geeignet“ und freigelassen wurde
https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-toddler-ended-up-in-crocodile-enclosure-not-fit-for-interview-and-released-13555644
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>A 30-year-old man from Norfolk, arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after a boy ended up in a zoo’s crocodile enclosure, has been released on bail after being declared not fit for interview.
When I thought I’ve seen it all this country continues to surprise me lol
What does this likely mean? The 30yr old was not mentally capable of being interviewed? Like a mentally disabled person did this?
Shouldn’t they still be locked up if they’re going to throw kids into crocodile enclosures?
I mean, if this guy is so badly disabled that he can’t even be interviewed, surely his „carers“ are culpable for what happened here? Some sort of reckless endangerement that needs to be investigated?
Sounds like he may be nonverbal? Article is pretty light on details I hope he has some bail restrictions.
Wouldn’t it make sense to detain under the MHA or similar? Bail feels like the wrong outcome to this layman
Genuine question, if he’s not fit for interview, is it straight to a Mental Health institute after an investigation is complete / after his bail?
So the mans severely disabled? They can normally still be put on house arrest.
But the question is unfortunately to charity/carer who brought him there. Was he previous violent and could be a risk? Did they follow safety plans?
I hate to be that person but my step-brothers got downs and i admit he can be violent. We have to think of that when going out. We want him to have fun but not at expence of others. Its normally fine, but we never know.
It’s disgusting that when this article came out people pointed out the ethnicity of the person was missing…
I wonder were those trolls are now
Ive seen this story about 7 times and I still dont know what happened.
I work with adults like this. I’m a bit sick of seeing „locked up“ in these threads. What do you mean? If you mean prison then no.
Adults like this tend to be in residences that they would be unable to leave on their own. High walls. Entrance and exit doors coded etc. it’s called a DoLs. Deprivation of Liberty.
This would be through a court order along with social services being involved. Not everything is a case of arrested, charged, mental health act, or released with nothing.
He’s not going to get away with it just because he isn’t sectioned or jailed.
If you mean locked up like that then yes. But on its own it just looks like you mean prison.
The carer is at fault. If this happened on my watch I’d fully expect to be sacked and be under police investigation myself.
> The crocodiles were initially kept to help dispose of waste meat from the butchery
Wtf I have never heard of this being possible
For those defending him because he is mentally deficiant – what if he had killed the boy ? Should he be let off because he is mentally unstable ? No – someone with such violent tendancies needs to be in a secure phsychiatric hospital. This goes beyod standard mental incompetance.
A lot of the carers that take disabled and autistic people out for the day are rubbish. They let their client just wander off, don’t interact with them. I’m assuming it’s a very low paid job because it seems to be mainly immigrants that do this job.
Very similar to the incident where a disabled person threw a child off the viewing platform at Tate modern.
Hopefully the book is thrown at the carers for this complete failure.
Guys. He’s been released on bail. That means there is still an investigation and they are trying to figure out what to do with him. It doesn’t mean he’s going to have no consequences at all. It means that while in custody, they did not have enough time to get everything together to sort it out. Remember they only have 24 hours, and this bloke will probably need specialist assessment.
If anything I’d hope there might be a hospital order… but I wouldn’t be sure of that necessarily.
But nothings been just ignored at the moment.
Some of the comments in this thread are disgusting. There’s a severe lack of understanding in how the authorities work with disabled people.
Am I surprised at the comments after seeing the waves of Reformers in this sub? Not at all. Lacking empathy and promoting ignorance seems to be a requirement to comment in this sub these days.
Edit: Lmao, well there it is. „You said one thing therefore you must mean this other thing.“ Ignorance is thriving.
Rather than punishing the disabled man who threw the child, perhaps the emphasis should be ensuring better, more adequate care for disabled people?
When people read the headlines about transport to school for a 12 year old costing XY thousand per year, this is the kind of future adult they’re talking about. The care is expensive, with very little joined up thinking. Corners are cut as often as possible, with cheap and under qualified labour. We’ve all seen carers out and about on their phones ignoring the people they should be caring for… The system is broken. It’s all to do with the absolute gutting of services over the past 15 years or so.
Sounds like the man needs his care needs and supervision/support reviewing. We don’t know whether he’d ever showed any inclination to behave like this before. We don’t know what the ratio of carers to clients was.
It’s easy to say “carer wasn’t paying attention” but in reality they may have been one person to two clients and were looking after the other person for a few seconds. That’s all the time it would take for this to occur.
There’s not enough information here for the public to make an informed assessment of the situation. The only thing I do know is that carers are not paid anywhere near enough for the work that they do and are often understaffed and underfunded and that support needs reviews can take too long to do.
>“The crocodiles were initially kept to help dispose of waste meat from the butchery, but they went on to be the start of a zoo, according to a blog post from the zoo.”
This feels like it needs more context as well. The butcher’s crocodiles became an exhibit that was simply a crocodile pit in a converted barn with viewing walkway separated by one side of what look like 1 metre high chicken wire and one side open enough for limbs to get through?
I’ve to do risk assessments & have PVGs done on every single adult to take kids to their own school for a fundraiser at the weekend but butchers can charge folk to essentially walk through their meat measure crocodile pit?
Am I looking at the correct walkway that they’re letting mentally incapacitated adults and toddlers in to view the crocs?
https://reddit.com/link/osjnhvq/video/gh3pl7qwk78h1/player
There’s got to be a point where we realise that someone has such profound issues that we recognise they’re a threat to public safety and don’t let them go on little outings where stuff like this can happen.
The amount of people on here saying disabled people should be removed from society or locked up is frankly disgusting and they should hang their heads in shame. Makes me feel sick reading some of the comments here, nazi level thinking.
My mother in law works with disabled adults, they are prone to suddenly run off. Its not like a toddler that you can keep on reins. They have the mental capacity of a 4 year old but the strength of a man.
To keep the risk level down outings such as this should be undertaken when the facility is closed to the general public, to protect the public from incidents such as this.
I have seen some venues do a quiet hour once a week for autistic people, it wouldn’t be hard to do or impact their income.
I hope the little boy is ok, his parents must be beside themselves with worry.
Reading these comments makes me depressed. We have gone so far backwards, and people with 0 knowledge or experience with anyone with severe learning disabilities just emptying what little thought they have.
We already have places that home people whos disabilities make them high risk, but they are people and should be given the opportunity to be integrated into normal society too. We cant preemptively lock up anyone with certain disabilities, how do you know someone is a danger when they are perfectly fine until they are suddenly not?
And the suggestion that their support should be legally culpable is fucking insane. They are underpaid and over worked trying their best to improve the lives of people.
I used to lead volunteers that included people with learning difficulties and while the issues were never as extreme as this case it was always the case that the carers were fucking hopeless and used it as a break day.
Taking up 2 spaces on our minibus and leaving me (untrained) to do their jobs of looking after their charge. Used to dread the days they were out.
Not surprised they escaped their carer and some wee boy is going to pay the price for it
People here seem to think he is released back into the community walking to ASDA doing his shopping… No he will be back in his care unit under his original sectioned powers with his days out removed until CPS decide if he is mentally fit to be charged.
Absolutely zero idea of how the law works.
We don’t even know at this point that he did *violently* throw him.
Many adult males with severely impaired cognitive function don’t understand their own strength or the feelings and needs of other people. Anecdotally, a common trigger for such patients going into residential care is a hospital visit where Mum or Dad has been injured by their teenage/adult child.
It could be a case of ‚Oh, my new friend wants to see the crocodiles? I can put you down there!‘ An initially pleasant interaction between the disabled man and the child could make it harder for anyone there to anticipate this or react quickly enough to prevent it.
Equally, it could be a case of ‚Make that noise to away NOW‘, like a child throwing a toy across a room in frustration. Again, an impulsive action with little/no build up of distress would explain why no one had time to intervene.
Someone who is mentally disabled with very high support needs, the kind of person who isn’t fit to be interviewed by police, will already have measures in place to control where they can go and when. Just at home or in a residential setting, not a prison. Those measures will already be being changed after this incident.
This is a tragic case. But the likelihood is that punishment is not going to achieve much here. I’d like to see:
– Measures put in place to protect everyone involved with this man going forward. That’s a social services job, not the police.
– A review of his care and the trip arrangements. If he lives at home and the carer is a parent, there may not have been much safety planning.
– A review of the zoo’s safety measures (why was the barrier to an enclosure so easy to overcome? Is there anything that could be improved?)
– Recognition for the quick actions of the zoo owner, as it sounds like she jumped into the crocodile enclosure herself to rescue the child.
– Recognition for Addenbrookes and the medical team, it really is one of the UK’s best hospitals.
– Effective aftercare for the child and their family. Good mental healthcare is really hard to access via the NHS right now, I hope they don’t end up needing to pay privately to manage the longer term impacts of trauma.
None of that involves the police, and prison generally costs the taxpayer more than effective social and mental health care. But cue the outrage about him being bailed because that’s easy.
I work with severely autistic people. Have done for 25 years. This is a massive failure on so many levels I’m not sure where to begin.
I have a kid with learning disabilities and this kinda thing is my worst nightmare.
2 things – firstly – what the hell happened that this poor kid was left in such a vulnerable situation. We cannot just say this adult slipped away from his carer – it is their JOB to keep both the person with disabilities AND others safe – how the hell did they fail to this degree. When I am out with my kid my job is both to keep them safe but others too and adjust in any situation where I think the presence of others could distress him and lead to a potential risk – there is no Lee way for slipping away! no margin for error – thats the life, that’s the pressure and that is the job if you take someone with those level of needs to the damn zoo!
secondly – those who have lurched into sinister lock up all the disabled attitudes – get help – your not the good guy here either. that’s all I’ll say on that, cause frankly it’s disgusting.