This is the key part under the new guidance for unisex. A full door is required to isolate someone using an unisex bathroom and it must be able to isolate the toilet and washing facilities.
Oddly, waiting areas aren’t yet defined as they haven’t agreed what is a waiting area. If you have a cafe with a unisex toilet that opens into the main area of the cafe, does that make the whole cafe space a waiting area? Same for a unisex bathroom at say a garage where the door opens outside; at what point does the outside stop being the „waiting area“. 😃
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Being mad and campaigning against unisex toilets is really sad. Like what’s the point
Edit reminder the bathroom in your house or at house parties is unisex. Disabled bathrooms are unisex. Some swimming pool have unisex changing rooms/cubicles for families. Europe you can find unisex changing rooms and showers as standard like changing around strangers no issues. It’s nothing new or scandalous, people are getting made afraid of normal boring stuff
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Why are all the shit stirring headlines from the Telegraph?
It’s almost like they are just trying to cause division and hate amongst the people of Britain. Every. Single. Day!
Come on people, these guys just want to make people angry to create a divide in OUR country.
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Safeguarding for running schools tends to be heavily aligned towards splitting toilets for long term protection of both teachers (allegations) and students in areas out of sight of a DBS / pastoral team. Anyone who number of scenarios – temp workers, staff using student toilets out of hours etc to be avoided via such clear rules of division thus avoiding exploits and that is where things go wrong.
Anyone who is not arguing from this basis has not real experience of the common sense needed in running a school over a long period of time. Men and Women are not equal in respect to Safeguarding and equally the stats on abuse. It is a fact from statistics and quotidian operations around children.
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This is such a disgusting article a child „suffered“ because they chose not to use the toilet because of „noisy boys“. 1. Girls can be just as if not more noisy. 2. This isn’t something that specifically affects girls, I know many b’s g’s and nb’s that are shy and can’t use the toilet if it’s noisy and 3. This is easily solved by having accessible toilets with integrated washbasins (which they likely already have) that folks can use if they have these requirements.
But as expected TERF’s like mouldy potter will use this to push their agenda against trans folks under the guise of „protect the children“
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So is the government going to provide funding for all schools to do what in some cases might be significant building work?
nbenj1990 on
Wait until the judge finds out how primary school kids get ready for pe or swimming.
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Legitimately question I’ve been wondering about:
How do rulings like this work in the context of disabled toilets?
I’ve never, in my entire life, seen anything other than unisex disabled toilets.
Presumably the recent decision regarding trans people, or a ruling like this one, is still applicable to disability specific toilets?
Does that not mean pretty much every single disability specific toilets in the country is in breach of someone’s rights?
and technically, we should have gender specific disabled toilets available across the board?!
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>But she found the toilet arrangements distressing and reduced her fluid intake during the school day to avoid using the toilets.
It must be said that this is the sort of behaviour that the government expects trans people to engage in, but should anyone else be subjected to it it is easily recognisable as abhorrent.
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When I was in reception (5 years old) we had toilets that both girls and boys would use. That was in like 2013, there were no issues.
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> the same washing and waiting areas
This is the key part under the new guidance for unisex. A full door is required to isolate someone using an unisex bathroom and it must be able to isolate the toilet and washing facilities.
Oddly, waiting areas aren’t yet defined as they haven’t agreed what is a waiting area. If you have a cafe with a unisex toilet that opens into the main area of the cafe, does that make the whole cafe space a waiting area? Same for a unisex bathroom at say a garage where the door opens outside; at what point does the outside stop being the „waiting area“. 😃
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Being mad and campaigning against unisex toilets is really sad. Like what’s the point
Edit reminder the bathroom in your house or at house parties is unisex. Disabled bathrooms are unisex. Some swimming pool have unisex changing rooms/cubicles for families. Europe you can find unisex changing rooms and showers as standard like changing around strangers no issues. It’s nothing new or scandalous, people are getting made afraid of normal boring stuff
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Why are all the shit stirring headlines from the Telegraph?
It’s almost like they are just trying to cause division and hate amongst the people of Britain. Every. Single. Day!
Come on people, these guys just want to make people angry to create a divide in OUR country.
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Safeguarding for running schools tends to be heavily aligned towards splitting toilets for long term protection of both teachers (allegations) and students in areas out of sight of a DBS / pastoral team. Anyone who number of scenarios – temp workers, staff using student toilets out of hours etc to be avoided via such clear rules of division thus avoiding exploits and that is where things go wrong.
Anyone who is not arguing from this basis has not real experience of the common sense needed in running a school over a long period of time. Men and Women are not equal in respect to Safeguarding and equally the stats on abuse. It is a fact from statistics and quotidian operations around children.
This is such a disgusting article a child „suffered“ because they chose not to use the toilet because of „noisy boys“. 1. Girls can be just as if not more noisy. 2. This isn’t something that specifically affects girls, I know many b’s g’s and nb’s that are shy and can’t use the toilet if it’s noisy and 3. This is easily solved by having accessible toilets with integrated washbasins (which they likely already have) that folks can use if they have these requirements.
But as expected TERF’s like mouldy potter will use this to push their agenda against trans folks under the guise of „protect the children“
So is the government going to provide funding for all schools to do what in some cases might be significant building work?
Wait until the judge finds out how primary school kids get ready for pe or swimming.
Legitimately question I’ve been wondering about:
How do rulings like this work in the context of disabled toilets?
I’ve never, in my entire life, seen anything other than unisex disabled toilets.
Presumably the recent decision regarding trans people, or a ruling like this one, is still applicable to disability specific toilets?
Does that not mean pretty much every single disability specific toilets in the country is in breach of someone’s rights?
and technically, we should have gender specific disabled toilets available across the board?!
>But she found the toilet arrangements distressing and reduced her fluid intake during the school day to avoid using the toilets.
It must be said that this is the sort of behaviour that the government expects trans people to engage in, but should anyone else be subjected to it it is easily recognisable as abhorrent.
When I was in reception (5 years old) we had toilets that both girls and boys would use. That was in like 2013, there were no issues.