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    1. SraminiElMejorBeaver on

      >France and Germany scrapped a program to develop a fighter jet on Monday after disagreements between the two companies involved.

      >France will keep working on a next-generation fighter jet through 2040, the defense minister said on Wednesday, June 10, after Germany pulled the plug on the joint FCAS program this week. „Eight years of commitment, 2.5 billion in investment,“ Defense Minister Catherine Vautrin told parliament, referring to the joint German-French jet project. „It means that almost all of this investment will enable us to continue working on a fighter jet through 2040,“ she added. „This is obviously a major technical asset for our country’s sovereignty.“

      >The Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program was launched in 2017 to replace France’s Rafale jets and the Eurofighter planes used by Germany and Spain.

      >On Monday, France and Germany said they had agreed to abandon the joint fighter jet program due to disagreements between the companies involved, in a blow to European efforts to boost defence cooperation. „The German authorities considered that it was not possible to put any further pressure on the companies concerned,“ an Elysée official said.

      >The multi-billion-dollar program was beset by disagreements between the firms involved, France’s Dassault Aviation and Airbus, which represents Germany and Spain.

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      >The head of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, has insisted his firm can build the future European fighter jet by itself. Speaking on Wednesday, Vautrin praised „the commitment of the French industrial team.“ „I would like to mention Dassault, Safran, Thales and the entire ecosystem,“ she said. „This is the only team in Europe capable of producing a fighter jet entirely independently.“

      >In Berlin on Thursday, a group of companies led by Airbus is set to present their plan for a next-generation fighter jet, hoping to replace the Franco-German FCAS project.

    3. awood20 on

      France have done before, they’ll do it again. It’s more expensive but they’ll get there.

    4. onechroma on

      – France joins a coalition of 3 to build a new European fighter jet

      – France expects to lead it, impose its own requirements first, build it almost all by themselves, the others to be OK, and obviously pay for it.

      – The others (Germany, Spain) are not happy, as they want their own input on the project, as well as having their ecosystem of companies also participating, not be practically French-defense customers.

      – France acts surprised, and doubles down trying to be the boss of the project and treat the others as mere “partners”. *Yeah yeah, I hear you, we will do it all here and maybe listen to your opinions, please pay the bill*

      – Germany & Spain end up walking out even if it means losing years and billions of investment, plus getting into unknown territory (what next?), while France is left alone to finally be able to do whatever they like by themselves (but more expensive being alone).

      – Europe ends up losing money, time, resources and so on, building about 3 different projects that could have a basic shared platform and exchange of research+knowledge (UK+Italy+Japan, Germany+Spain, France)

      Who wins here? It’s astonishing how Europe is still this dumb.

    5. giovamc on

      This is an utter shame for the EU and reflects the fact that we are lead by incompetents at the highest levels.

    6. bukowsky01 on

      Now the funny thing would be for France to rope in Spain or Sweden, or god forbid both. Now that would be hilarious (and good too).

    7. Thekingofchrome on

      They’ll be lucky if it’s operational by then.

      Dassault has the capability, mostly hard to tell on 6th Gen, but France does not have the money. It needs another partner with the same requirements eg India. But India whatever company they pick eg HAL (like others) are no mugs and they will want to be part of the design, development and build. Just like Airbus did….

      Same problem, different companies…..

    8. TheNobleHeretic on

      Why does France need anyone else. Spend the money and make it back by selling fighter jets to other countries

    9. BigBangBoomerang on

      Other 6th-gen fighters will be flying by then. This lack of cohesion in Europe is only going to set back the continent more and more.

    10. BourbonBeauty_89 on

      Exactly why the United States doesn’t need Europe or NATO… their military and military complexes are a JOKE.

    11. Haunting-Detail2025 on

      So France will have a fifth gen fighter 10 years after the US and China have been operationally fielding sixth gen fighters…? Congrats I guess?

    12. mrsuaveoi3 on

      Taking the precedence of the Rafale and Eurofighter programs, France will spend more or less the same as the UK or Germany while being 100% in charge of the development and export sales.

      It gets more interesting when Rafale’s buyers are mostly previous Mirage 2000 customers, meaning Dassault has an established worldwide customer base unlike any other European companies.

      It begs the question, why did Dassault accepted to be in FCAS in the first place since it potentially stands to lose revenue compared to going solo. The simple answer: it was a political decision, and a bad one with hindsight.

    13. thomasoldier on

      Eh we should have work with the brits on this one, we’re looking for similar planes (carrier lauch, etc.)

    14. ForTheGloryOfAmn on

      Just a reminder that France had to increase the size of its next-generation aircraft carrier to more than 78,000 tonnes largely to accommodate the size and weight requirements of Germany’s envisioned FCAS fighter. Germany pushed for a next-generation aircraft weighing over 20 tonnes, which in turn required a significantly larger carrier design.

      France had originally favoured a smaller carrier of around 45,000 tonnes, which would have been considerably cheaper to build and operate. Instead, the new carrier is expected to cost well over €10 billion, in part because France chose to keep its German partner satisfied in the FCAS program, despite Germany now moving away from the project.

      On the other hand, the larger carrier will offer greater interoperability with the US Navy. That is a significant advantage, given that France and the United States are currently the only countries operating CATOBAR aircraft carriers.

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