
Diese Karte zeigt die geschätzte Lebensdauer organischer Peroxyradikale (RO₂) im städtischen Nordamerika im Sommer 2023.
RO₂-Radikale sind ein wichtiger Bestandteil der Atmosphärenchemie. Wie lange sie überleben, hilft dabei zu bestimmen, ob sie schnell mit Stickoxiden (NOₓ) reagieren und die Ozonproduktion antreiben oder lange genug in der Atmosphäre bleiben, um anderen chemischen Wegen zu folgen.
In den letzten Jahrzehnten sind die NOₓ-Emissionen in weiten Teilen Nordamerikas gesunken. Dadurch verändert sich die Chemie vieler Städte. Die Studie ergab, dass New York, Chicago und Toronto eine wesentlich längere RO₂-Lebensdauer haben als Los Angeles, was diesen Radikalen mehr Zeit gibt, Reaktionen einzugehen, die stark oxidierte Verbindungen erzeugen und zu sekundärem organischem Aerosol beitragen können.
Die Farben zeigen die geschätzte bimolekulare Lebensdauer von RO₂ (τ_bi), wobei Lila kürzere Lebensdauern und Grün bis Blau längere Lebensdauern anzeigt. Diese Muster spiegeln eine umfassendere Veränderung der städtischen Photochemie wider, da die NOₓ-Werte weiter sinken.
Eine der interessantesten Erkenntnisse ist, dass dies nicht nur in einigen wenigen Städten geschieht. Die Satellitenbeobachtungen deuten darauf hin, dass die RO₂-Lebensdauer in den Städten Nordamerikas immer länger wird, was auf eine weitreichende Veränderung in der Art und Weise hindeutet, wie Schadstoffe in der Atmosphäre verarbeitet werden.
Von jasmineliumai
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ELI15 please, the green areas are better because more ozone is produced then since there is more time for the chemicals to react?
„highly oxidized compounds and contribute to secondary organic aerosol.“
What does this mean? With no background in these chemicals I don’t understand why it matters that NY and Chicago ‚produced highly oxidized compounds‘ or that they ‚contribute to secondary organic aerosol.‘
So, is this a roughly correct TL;DR conclusion?
**Old atmosphere:** RO₂ gets interrupted quickly → more smog/ozone.
**New atmosphere:** RO₂ gets more time to „cook“ → less smog, but potentially more fine particles.
(*queue up the „well, it is complicated“ explanations..*.)
But what does it mean?
>Over the past few decades, NOₓ emissions have fallen across much of North America. As a result, the chemistry of many cities is changing. The study found that New York, Chicago, and Toronto have substantially longer RO₂ lifetimes than Los Angeles, giving these radicals more time to undergo reactions that can produce highly oxidized compounds and contribute to secondary organic aerosol.
Is it good or bad that those cities are producing „highly oxidized compounds and contribute to secondary organic aerosol“? Why?
So is this a good thing or bad thing?
I’m pretty sure the difference in the two sides is from GOES-E vs GOES-W, right? What’s the adjustment between the two halves of the map?
How does the data Trend for rest of the years over all seasons? US has diverse geography as you move from east to west. What impact does the terrain, elevation and wind currents (atmospheric rivers) have on lifetime of organic radicals?
This is what chat gpt had to say about it for anyone still scratching their heads
ELI5 version:
Imagine the air over a city is like a giant chemistry lab.
**RO₂ radicals** are tiny, hyperactive chemical “workers” created when sunlight hits pollution from cars, factories, trees, and other sources.
These workers don’t live very long. They run around looking for something to react with.
**NOₓ** (pollution mainly from vehicle exhaust and combustion) is one of their favorite things to react with.
Years ago, cities had lots of NOₓ, so RO₂ workers would quickly bump into NOₓ and react. That means they had **short lifetimes** (they didn’t survive long).
Today, many cities have cleaned up NOₓ pollution, so the RO₂ workers spend more time wandering around before finding something to react with. That means they have **longer lifetimes**.
**Why does that matter?**
Think of RO₂ radicals as ingredients in a recipe.
If they react with NOₓ immediately, they help make **ground-level ozone** (the bad kind that irritates lungs).
If they stick around longer, they can participate in other reactions and help create tiny airborne particles called **secondary organic aerosols** (a major component of smog and haze).
So as NOₓ pollution decreases, the atmosphere doesn’t simply become “less chemical.” Instead, the chemistry changes direction.
**What the map is showing**
**Purple areas** = RO₂ radicals disappear quickly (lots of opportunities to react).
**Green/blue areas** = RO₂ radicals survive longer before reacting.
The study found that cities like:
New York City
Chicago
Toronto
have longer RO₂ lifetimes than:
Los Angeles
This suggests the air chemistry in those cities is shifting toward different reaction pathways.
**The big takeaway**
Scientists expected cleaner air when NOₓ emissions dropped, and that has happened in many ways. But the atmosphere is a complicated chemistry system.
The surprising finding is:
As NOₓ pollution falls, many cities across North America are entering a new chemical regime where RO₂ radicals live longer and produce different pollutants than they used to.
So the map is essentially showing **where urban air chemistry is changing the most**, not necessarily where the air is best or worst. It’s a picture of how the atmosphere’s “recipe book” is being rewritten as emissions change.
Relevant XKCD
https://preview.redd.it/pm1fsp7cqh6h1.jpeg?width=295&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16d5acab4c1041f12fb37079395cfe111a47adef
That said, interesting map— do we know why there’s such a dramatic shift between the northeast and everywhere else?
There’s clearly two datasets stitched together here, and poorly. How can you claim the data on LA and the east coast are so different when the baseline reading in LA is so much lower? Or did you just stuff caltech data into an ai and apply zero critical thinking?
TLDR; am I going to die faster or slower in the green?
Am I missing something or is the clear artifact not addressed?
The attached figure is a measurement of RO2 lifetime, not delta lifetime. The imagine suggests that there is an approximate 5s shift in lifetime uniformly across the Dakotas?
Initially I thought that the data was a time comparison from 1 time point in the west, and a different time point on the east. However, if you look at the Dakotas region there is no clear boundary between the measurements. This suggests that the data is spatially averaged and likely detected through two different sources which have unique calibration curves or detection equipment.
Additionally the data presented suggests that the northeast has a unique atmosphere chemistry compared to the entire U.S. west. With no discussion regarding how come that might be the case.
You keep talking about changes but this is literally just a snapshot in time for August 2023. There is no trend that I can visualize. I don’t even know what has changed since August 2023.
before we accept your data perhaps you’d like to explain why is there a straight line down the middle of the map?
What is the sharp line in the MW? Is that real? It looks very much like an artifact.
This thread is really eye opening for the way many people form opinions today. So many people just asking you to plainly tell them if the map should make them feel good or bad. Same way so many people get their opinions on media, news, and politics it seems.
I don’t understand the implications of this map either. But everything doesn’t have to boil down to good / bad. Nuance and ambiguity might be dead. Condolences to OP for just trying to share their work without having to give some conclusive, definitive statement to go along with it.
No offense, but you’re just promoting the company you’re interning at: „huge help from Lium.ai“
There’s a massive unexplained East-West discrepancy that happens *exactly* at 100 degrees West longitude. The values don’t make sense either. NYC is at 23 +/- 12 so it should be yellow-green-ish, but its color is off the color bar. Chicago is incorrectly colored as well, and Toronto is yellow in the middle of a large area of turquoise.
So we traded one air pollunent for another, ~sigh.
Oh damn. So you can tell it’s definitely getting …worse? Or better? ^(…about the same?)
So by reducing air pollution, we are unintentionally increasing air pollution?
So that means we can expect rain?
Given that this is for summer 2023 and we had a gigantic wildfire season and air quality (fine particulate and ozone) was out of whack for a long period of time, could that have any impact on this map of RO2?
Sooo… blue = bad ??
Girl get outta here with this crap map
Looks like the map at least is AI slop, it does not look at all like the figure in the cited paper: [https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aea6509](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aea6509)
Please stop with AI slop infographics! I have never seen one without significant problems.