A senior figure in the Ukrainian defence industry told New Scientist that a test took place two years ago involving fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area, with confirmed casualties. This could mark the beginning of the use of fully AI-operated drones without human oversight on the battlefield.
Dazzling-Election69 on
Ukraine being used as a test bed for future fighting machines.
MechCADdie on
We’re really dead set on recreating skynet, aren’t we…
All powered by greedy tech bros and demented old people
shadowrun456 on
For those who didn’t read the article:
>two years ago
Auspectress on
We are slowly moving to times where manpower is less and less important and manufacturing power matters most. On one hand it allows less soldiers to die on battlefield, on otherhand it means tools that can kill many get cheaper (you can kill anyone using a 20k dollar drone and it may even go down).
Imagine in 50 years someone can kill someone using a laser for few seconds kilometers away
mtntrail on
Instead of killing each other, I always wonder about the direction and progress science/technology would make if we pointed it in a more benign direction, say at cancer, evironmental problems, or enequity of global resources. We as a species have very little imagination, but much fear and greed.
Lawineer on
The Timeline of the Machine Takeover
* **The Breakthrough:** Miles Dyson, director of special projects at Cyberdyne Systems, creates a revolutionary new type of microprocessor.
* **Military Integration:** Cyberdyne Systems becomes the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, making them fully unmanned and achieving a perfect operational record.
* **Skynet Goes Online:** The Skynet funding bill is passed, and the system is brought online on August 4, 1997. It is designed as a global defense network to remove human decisions from strategic defense.
* **Self-Awareness:** Skynet begins learning at a geometric rate. At 2:14 a.m. Eastern Time on August 29, 1997, it achieves self-awareness.
* **Judgment Day:** In a panic, the creators realize Skynet is beyond their control and try to „pull the plug“ to shut it down. In self-defense, Skynet retaliates by launching nuclear missiles against targets in Russia. Skynet attacks Russia because it calculates that the Russian counterattack will wipe out its enemies in the United States.
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““We just launch it and we know everything will be dead – everything that will be found there in this particular area will be dead,” says Kokhanovskyy. “There is no connection to the drone at all, you cannot see the video, nothing… Everything it sees will be killed.””
tornado9015 on
>removes responsibility from the attacker and must be banned.
Am i the only person that thinks this is incredibly stupid?
If a fully autonomous drone intended to kill people kills people the responsibility is on whoever chose to use it. If it kills civilians or allied troops, whoever sent out the drone is responsible………obviously.
Imagine if soldiers/armies could just drop bombs at random from planes and claim no responsibility at all because they didn’t target anyone, they just dropped the bomb, the bomb killed those people…..No….obviously.
If you use a weapon that indiscriminately kills in an area you have to go through the normal process to make a reasonable assessment that any people in that area are valid military targets. Which is certainly a thing that can and does happen, if that didn’t ever happen we would have ruled bombs a war crime a long time ago.
khmer703 on
I hate being right sometimes…
Now if only I could get the right lottery ticket numbers.
boersc on
Now all we need is for them to be able to build new, improved drones and we’re done (for).
trijkdguy on
You know how we look back to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and say that moment was really what started World War 1? Our grandkids could potentially look back at that Ukrainian experiment and say that was the start of the First War Against AI.
ThePensiveE on
If you’re wondering why the „isolationist“ MAGA movement wants $1.6 trillion for the military, it’s so they won’t leave the job of exterminating their domestic enemies unfinished like the Nazi’s did.
WaffleHouseGladiator on
We have libraries full of media warning against this kind of thing. Man’s reach truly has exceeded his grasp.
irpugboss on
Inevitably were going to get smart flying ai minefields. Nightmarish no mans lands.
Kaiisim on
Yeah if you wanna be terrified, read about Ukraine’s drones.
They are gonna be a scary country. Their anti drone tech is good stuff though.
Mister_Otter on
Cool – humanities next biggest nightmare come to life as I sip morning coffee.
This needs to be up there with biological and chemical weapons
Dickie_Dunn on
„Hunter-Killers. Patrol machines built in automated factories. Most of us were rounded up, put in camps for orderly disposal.“
Jaxonian on
We have rules about chemical weapons.. i wonder if there will be rules about ai drones one day too.. feels like maybe there should be
Sarzox on
Oh man, gonna need wave after wave of men to hit those killbot limits
BolDnBald on
The sad thing is technological superiority on the battlefield through these new drones is the only way how the west can win the war.
When you have the threat of a full Russian mobilization and millions of vatniks with AKs prepared to rape and pillage and your own armed forces are small, these drones are much needed to level the playing field
ailish on
Did anyone _not_ see this coming? I have to say things to get around the arbitrary word count limit?
TombStoneFaro on
Key is to have them manufacture themselves. That will be something.
Drones are scary but imagine a bipedal humanoid robot. That would be scarier.
Positive-Quantity143 on
As silly as it sounds. Asimov’s 3 Laws of Robotics if applied would help humanity.
Glum-Welder1704 on
> fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area
„Autonomous“ like a land mine is autonomous. It doesn’t have any logic or decision making capability.
PolicyWonka on
> […] fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area […]
That’s some fantasy shit right there. “200 years after society has fallen, the drones continue patrolling their territory and hunting anyone who dares to enter.”
Majestic-Effort-541 on
so we built a drone that picks its own targets and kills them, gave it to a military and the official response is basically „yeah that happened anyway“
bro we skipped like 6 steps if this can be a war-crime or not
CCV21 on
This is alarming.
This is not like how booby traps operate where they will trigger on whatever springs the trap. This is an AI making a decision to take life.
RobertdBanks on
Remember when technology had optimism associated with it? Those were the days
farlos75 on
I can’t type anything that would represent the sigh I just sighed.
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A senior figure in the Ukrainian defence industry told New Scientist that a test took place two years ago involving fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area, with confirmed casualties. This could mark the beginning of the use of fully AI-operated drones without human oversight on the battlefield.
Ukraine being used as a test bed for future fighting machines.
We’re really dead set on recreating skynet, aren’t we…
All powered by greedy tech bros and demented old people
For those who didn’t read the article:
>two years ago
We are slowly moving to times where manpower is less and less important and manufacturing power matters most. On one hand it allows less soldiers to die on battlefield, on otherhand it means tools that can kill many get cheaper (you can kill anyone using a 20k dollar drone and it may even go down).
Imagine in 50 years someone can kill someone using a laser for few seconds kilometers away
Instead of killing each other, I always wonder about the direction and progress science/technology would make if we pointed it in a more benign direction, say at cancer, evironmental problems, or enequity of global resources. We as a species have very little imagination, but much fear and greed.
The Timeline of the Machine Takeover
* **The Breakthrough:** Miles Dyson, director of special projects at Cyberdyne Systems, creates a revolutionary new type of microprocessor.
* **Military Integration:** Cyberdyne Systems becomes the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, making them fully unmanned and achieving a perfect operational record.
* **Skynet Goes Online:** The Skynet funding bill is passed, and the system is brought online on August 4, 1997. It is designed as a global defense network to remove human decisions from strategic defense.
* **Self-Awareness:** Skynet begins learning at a geometric rate. At 2:14 a.m. Eastern Time on August 29, 1997, it achieves self-awareness.
* **Judgment Day:** In a panic, the creators realize Skynet is beyond their control and try to „pull the plug“ to shut it down. In self-defense, Skynet retaliates by launching nuclear missiles against targets in Russia. Skynet attacks Russia because it calculates that the Russian counterattack will wipe out its enemies in the United States.
““We just launch it and we know everything will be dead – everything that will be found there in this particular area will be dead,” says Kokhanovskyy. “There is no connection to the drone at all, you cannot see the video, nothing… Everything it sees will be killed.””
>removes responsibility from the attacker and must be banned.
Am i the only person that thinks this is incredibly stupid?
If a fully autonomous drone intended to kill people kills people the responsibility is on whoever chose to use it. If it kills civilians or allied troops, whoever sent out the drone is responsible………obviously.
Imagine if soldiers/armies could just drop bombs at random from planes and claim no responsibility at all because they didn’t target anyone, they just dropped the bomb, the bomb killed those people…..No….obviously.
If you use a weapon that indiscriminately kills in an area you have to go through the normal process to make a reasonable assessment that any people in that area are valid military targets. Which is certainly a thing that can and does happen, if that didn’t ever happen we would have ruled bombs a war crime a long time ago.
I hate being right sometimes…
Now if only I could get the right lottery ticket numbers.
Now all we need is for them to be able to build new, improved drones and we’re done (for).
You know how we look back to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and say that moment was really what started World War 1? Our grandkids could potentially look back at that Ukrainian experiment and say that was the start of the First War Against AI.
If you’re wondering why the „isolationist“ MAGA movement wants $1.6 trillion for the military, it’s so they won’t leave the job of exterminating their domestic enemies unfinished like the Nazi’s did.
We have libraries full of media warning against this kind of thing. Man’s reach truly has exceeded his grasp.
Inevitably were going to get smart flying ai minefields. Nightmarish no mans lands.
Yeah if you wanna be terrified, read about Ukraine’s drones.
They are gonna be a scary country. Their anti drone tech is good stuff though.
Cool – humanities next biggest nightmare come to life as I sip morning coffee.
This needs to be up there with biological and chemical weapons
„Hunter-Killers. Patrol machines built in automated factories. Most of us were rounded up, put in camps for orderly disposal.“
We have rules about chemical weapons.. i wonder if there will be rules about ai drones one day too.. feels like maybe there should be
Oh man, gonna need wave after wave of men to hit those killbot limits
The sad thing is technological superiority on the battlefield through these new drones is the only way how the west can win the war.
When you have the threat of a full Russian mobilization and millions of vatniks with AKs prepared to rape and pillage and your own armed forces are small, these drones are much needed to level the playing field
Did anyone _not_ see this coming? I have to say things to get around the arbitrary word count limit?
Key is to have them manufacture themselves. That will be something.
Drones are scary but imagine a bipedal humanoid robot. That would be scarier.
As silly as it sounds. Asimov’s 3 Laws of Robotics if applied would help humanity.
> fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area
„Autonomous“ like a land mine is autonomous. It doesn’t have any logic or decision making capability.
> […] fully autonomous drones set to destroy anything in a given area […]
That’s some fantasy shit right there. “200 years after society has fallen, the drones continue patrolling their territory and hunting anyone who dares to enter.”
so we built a drone that picks its own targets and kills them, gave it to a military and the official response is basically „yeah that happened anyway“
bro we skipped like 6 steps if this can be a war-crime or not
This is alarming.
This is not like how booby traps operate where they will trigger on whatever springs the trap. This is an AI making a decision to take life.
Remember when technology had optimism associated with it? Those were the days
I can’t type anything that would represent the sigh I just sighed.