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    1. theatlantic on

      Anne Applebaum: “In a field outside of Kyiv last weekend, a van was parked discreetly behind some trees. Inside the van there were no passenger seats, just a long desk, two office chairs, two laptops, extra screens. Outside appearances to the contrary, this was a mobile drone-interceptor base, one of hundreds of similar vehicles now scattered around Ukraine. It’s also part of something much bigger: a set of technological advances that have changed the war with Russia, and maybe all wars, forever.

      “On one of the laptops, a soldier showed me a bird’s-eye view of a part of the Ukrainian countryside more than 100 miles away. His job is to identify the objects flying above it, to distinguish birds and bats from lethal Russian drones. When he sees the latter, the soldier on the laptop beside him can then direct an interceptor—a small drone that looks like a miniature rocket ship—to track and destroy the incoming Russian aerial vehicles before they hit their targets.

      “The AI-powered drone interceptors are made possible by a complicated network of radar systems, acoustic sensors, and other tools that hundreds of large and small Ukrainian tech companies are creating and updating every day, using data they get directly from soldiers like the ones I met. Almost none of these companies existed four years ago. They have emerged from a tech-literate civil society whose members changed their professions or their focus to help defend their country…

      “Ukrainian military technology has been evolving rapidly since the first years of the war. But only now are outsiders—in Europe, the United States, the Persian Gulf, and of course Russia—beginning to understand what that evolution means. Since 2022, many public arguments about the war, even in Europe and the U.S., have adopted the narrative put out by Russian propaganda, tacitly assuming that Ukraine, outmanned and outgunned, would eventually lose. Helping Ukraine was a way to stave off disaster, nothing more. When the Trump administration stopped sending military and financial aid to Kyiv in 2025, some in Washington expected (and maybe wanted) the end to come quickly…

      “Suddenly, many people have understood that the Russian narrative is wrong: The Ukrainians are not losing. The Russians are not winning, and more important, they don’t know how to win. Ukrainians and outside analysts have described this dynamic in three main theaters of the war.”

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    2. No one is winning, both sides are losing. That’s kind of the point of the mostly stalemate situation they find themselves in. Both have massive manpower issues and both are going to need decades to recover from the economic and demographic impacts of the war.

    3. Appropriate-Talk-735 on

      Ukraine is in a better position now from what I can tell. Perhaps we see an end next year?

    4. Mindless_Fruit_2313 on

      Ukraine wins by not losing. Russia loses by not winning.

      This is the exact same pattern of all misguided imperialist pushes.

    5. rivermerchant1616 on

      Defending country wins in a stalemate. Russia loses on both of fronts (military supremacy of the Eastern hemisphere, and loss of Russian lives.)

      Putin loses has permanently stained his legacy. No matter how you feel about him, this will be a negative outcome for him.

    6. OrangeSpaceMan5 on

      I mean Ukraine isn’t „winning“ but they are definitely holding the momentum more than Russia , directly and repeatedly striking refining stations , ports and critical infrastructure deep within Russia . Russia hasn’t seen anything like this since WW2

    7. Coolerguy317 on

      Honestly they’ve both already lost in a sense. Irreparable relationships, damaged demographics, destroyed towns, economic losses, and generation shaped by war. Even if one side achieves its gapls the long term trajectory of the region is brutal. The question isn’t just who wins but what’s left when it’s over.

    8. DefinitelyNotMeee on

      *I’m going to ignore the incorrect information everywhere in the article and focus on the main part.*

      Nobody is winning this war.

      Russia lost strategic credibility, a massive amount of people, most of its military equipment, and ‚won‘ international isolation and a hostile Europe. From former super power to a 3rd-world country that is bound to become a Chinese resource ‚colony‘.

      The future of Ukraine is also bleak. Ukraine lost **HALF** of its population and the most industrialized part of the country. Even if the war ended tomorrow in full Ukrainian victory, the country would likely never recover from the war. Worst birth/death ratio in the world, terrible demographics (majority of productive age men are gone), devastated country, and economy fully dependent on foreign funding.

      Both sides lost.

    9. This time next year, the Atlantic headline will be: „Ukraine is Winning, Barely.“

    10. Accidental-Genius on

      Ukraine not losing is the sole purpose of a defensive war. Therefore, Ukraine is winning until Ukraine no longer exist as a state.

    11. Whyumad_brah on

      I think the double standards we use to judge this conflict are misguided.

      Ukraine still holds after having a large part of its infrastructure destroyed and having half the population it had in 1991 and yet it almost seems Ukraine is turning the tide by embarrassing Putin at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum.

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