It’s ok, they’re not discriminating *against* you, just in favour of everyone else!
PomeloTraditional971 on
It’s ok, I identify as a poor black lesbian woman, doesn’t affect me.
Dry-Magician1415 on
It’s like they WANT Reform to win the next election.
Whether you think this program is justifiable or not – the optics are absolutely terrible. Whatever ammunition Farage needed they hand it to him on a plate.
thecheeseboiger on
I see this all the time.
A year ago, I was almost about to apply for a new job in my field and then read at the bottom of the description that they *especially* welcome applicants from world majority (or whatever buzzword they used) countries to reflect their communities.
1. Obviously, I’m not what they are looking for because I’m white English in England and that’s dreadful, I suppose.
2. Soon after, I chose to leave the country for a job in Europe where there isn’t this level of nonsense.
VariousClassroom8056 on
At some point the argument that this is to achieve a legitimate aim is going to be challenged in court.
The NAO themselves state that their workforce is already 50/50 men/women so what are they seeking to achieve by including women as one of the groups these internships are offered to?
South_Buy_3175 on
How does this even work in practice?
I imagine it’s younger people going for an internship, how’s it fair to deny someone a future over their circumstances?
“Sorry, your parents are middle-class and your skin tone isn’t in the ‘ok-2-hire’ section. Come back when you’re lower class or a different shade”.
GnolRevilo on
Fascinating. I was reliably informed that this sort of thing wasn’t happening.
Are we at „it is happening, and here’s why it’s a good thing“ yet?
Deadliftdeadlife on
> The job advert states that the scheme is designed to support diverse talent in accounting
What dues that mean? Black people or women are gonna bring a never before seen flavour to numbers?
deprevino on
>£25,089 per annum
I don’t think any middle class person would be interested in those peanuts anyway.
ModeratelySalacious on
Saw the same at the job centre one time advertising angeringerung roles that outright stated no men wanted.
Comedy gold in my opinion, yet people will constantly be bemused by how reform and restore get voters.
Pocket_Aces1 on
> The National Audit Office (NAO), which is funded by the taxpayer, said only applicants who are female, of black heritage or from lower socio-economic backgrounds could apply.
If that’s actually true….what the actual hell.
If it’s for anything „diversity“ then this just shows how trying to implement policies to increase diversity in a business makes them discriminate against another.
But don’t worry, it’s only white men. If they dare do that to anyone else they would be called racist and sexist
J1mj0hns0n on
„The NAO scrutinises government departments and agencies on behalf of Parliament to ensure value for money and the correct allocation of public funds.“
go scrutinise yourself NAO, I’ve found something deficient on value for money.
WinHour4300 on
One problem with schemes that focus on a single characteristic is that they can end up favouring people who are already highly privileged.
I saw this in the public sector. An ethnic minority hire came from a wealthy family, attended a top private school, and then went to Oxbridge. In practice, he had far more in common with similarly privileged white colleagues than with anyone disadvantaged.
The organisation then congratulated itself on achieving both diversity and diversity of thought.
Dragon_Sluts on
The issue here is too often race and class get conflated.
Simply
If 60% of black people were poor and 30% of white people were poor then a scheme that focussed ONLY on economic background would disproportionately help black people – fine.
This scheme, inexplicably, is open to wealthy black people yet closed to wealthy white people. It should be open to everyone or only based on economic background – there’s no need for race to be brought in.
Stabbycrabs83 on
I have never come across a „positive discrimination“ initiative thats actually delivering on its desired outcome.
The reason you typically dont have people from X background is either there are none in your candidate pool, you have discrimination in your hiring team or your workplace doesnt meet X background need.
I absolutely hoovered up returning mums at a previous role. I needed software asset managers and procurement people. They needed flexibility but from day 1 and nobody was willing to give it to them.
Funnily enough if you remove barriers for people they tend to both stick around and go the extra mile for you.
Thebritishdovah on
Er…..
If it was different, it would be deemed racist.
Surely, skin colour shouldn’t be a factor at all.
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It’s ok, they’re not discriminating *against* you, just in favour of everyone else!
It’s ok, I identify as a poor black lesbian woman, doesn’t affect me.
It’s like they WANT Reform to win the next election.
Whether you think this program is justifiable or not – the optics are absolutely terrible. Whatever ammunition Farage needed they hand it to him on a plate.
I see this all the time.
A year ago, I was almost about to apply for a new job in my field and then read at the bottom of the description that they *especially* welcome applicants from world majority (or whatever buzzword they used) countries to reflect their communities.
1. Obviously, I’m not what they are looking for because I’m white English in England and that’s dreadful, I suppose.
2. Soon after, I chose to leave the country for a job in Europe where there isn’t this level of nonsense.
At some point the argument that this is to achieve a legitimate aim is going to be challenged in court.
The NAO themselves state that their workforce is already 50/50 men/women so what are they seeking to achieve by including women as one of the groups these internships are offered to?
How does this even work in practice?
I imagine it’s younger people going for an internship, how’s it fair to deny someone a future over their circumstances?
“Sorry, your parents are middle-class and your skin tone isn’t in the ‘ok-2-hire’ section. Come back when you’re lower class or a different shade”.
Fascinating. I was reliably informed that this sort of thing wasn’t happening.
Are we at „it is happening, and here’s why it’s a good thing“ yet?
> The job advert states that the scheme is designed to support diverse talent in accounting
What dues that mean? Black people or women are gonna bring a never before seen flavour to numbers?
>£25,089 per annum
I don’t think any middle class person would be interested in those peanuts anyway.
Saw the same at the job centre one time advertising angeringerung roles that outright stated no men wanted.
Comedy gold in my opinion, yet people will constantly be bemused by how reform and restore get voters.
> The National Audit Office (NAO), which is funded by the taxpayer, said only applicants who are female, of black heritage or from lower socio-economic backgrounds could apply.
If that’s actually true….what the actual hell.
If it’s for anything „diversity“ then this just shows how trying to implement policies to increase diversity in a business makes them discriminate against another.
But don’t worry, it’s only white men. If they dare do that to anyone else they would be called racist and sexist
„The NAO scrutinises government departments and agencies on behalf of Parliament to ensure value for money and the correct allocation of public funds.“
go scrutinise yourself NAO, I’ve found something deficient on value for money.
One problem with schemes that focus on a single characteristic is that they can end up favouring people who are already highly privileged.
I saw this in the public sector. An ethnic minority hire came from a wealthy family, attended a top private school, and then went to Oxbridge. In practice, he had far more in common with similarly privileged white colleagues than with anyone disadvantaged.
The organisation then congratulated itself on achieving both diversity and diversity of thought.
The issue here is too often race and class get conflated.
Simply
If 60% of black people were poor and 30% of white people were poor then a scheme that focussed ONLY on economic background would disproportionately help black people – fine.
This scheme, inexplicably, is open to wealthy black people yet closed to wealthy white people. It should be open to everyone or only based on economic background – there’s no need for race to be brought in.
I have never come across a „positive discrimination“ initiative thats actually delivering on its desired outcome.
The reason you typically dont have people from X background is either there are none in your candidate pool, you have discrimination in your hiring team or your workplace doesnt meet X background need.
I absolutely hoovered up returning mums at a previous role. I needed software asset managers and procurement people. They needed flexibility but from day 1 and nobody was willing to give it to them.
Funnily enough if you remove barriers for people they tend to both stick around and go the extra mile for you.
Er…..
If it was different, it would be deemed racist.
Surely, skin colour shouldn’t be a factor at all.