daycare is already a shithole here and on top of that this?
Dogahn on
I’ll avoid making a crass joke here because of the topic. From my underemployed mostly at home parent perspective… I see two reasons People are signing their children up for this risk. The first, for high income earners, they’ve bought into the western capitalist dream; work hard, leverage your inherited wealth advantage, buy/inherit a home. The others have to because the only work they can get is barely enough to live near their work.
The fixes are uncomfortable, and not going away easily (zb. More housing & divesting housing market). They’re problems similar to the Nurse & Doctor situation too.
^(also, they’re things that only get worse with an arbitrary population cap law)
HastyLemur201 on
It’s mind-boggling that we allow facilities who put the public at risk, be it dirty restaurants or daycares who employ abusers to stay anonymous.
anaanahanahana on
I have a toddler in daycare in French speaking Switzerland and now I feel like puking!
Why not releasing the names of the daycares involved? Not sure what that would resolve, but still…
WillingnessFinal1411 on
I’m from a country that made preschool childcare an obvious community infrastructure a good sixty years ago, along with consistent education for it. What were before grandmas and neighbours – sometimes exposing children to abuse and health risks – were then suddenly new buildings, dedicated and educated employees.
Imagine the shock here. A very costly childcare with often bad food and basically children looking after children. It’s a business model! One of the chains was proudly announcing their personal costs are less than half of overall. Sure, when the majority there were sixteen year olds, and eighteen year olds just passing lap made into group leaders! Our Kita failed several inspections. You think they told us this or made any changes? To be fair, some of the employees were good and really cared.
After Kita we decided to not put them in the after school care. I often have a really bad feeling about some people caring for children and children know exactly who they can trust and who’s an odd ball. Sadly, Switzerland often mixes their priorities and common sense here.
DesertGeist- on
Maybe men should not be allowed to work in daycares.
slava_slavaUa on
>”Other reports concern caregivers who regularly locked themselves in toilets with children or touched children inappropriately during nap time. In most cases, the accused employees were suspended during the investigations, and the facilities also reviewed their safety and protection concepts.”
He was caught fondling sleeping children, and he wasn’t even fired??
sschueller on
I am starting to question if the issue is also higher up. For-profit companies saving on background checks and paying so poorly that the only employees you get are the ones that will abuse children. Cameras will have little effect to prevent this unless you also install them in the toilets which seems ridiculous. Of course more staff would help as they would watch each other but that would cost more…
slava_slavaUa on
Daycare centers should have extensive video surveillance that is possible for the parents and authorities to log on and view remotely
ApdoSmurf on
Absolutely disgusting. Great reminder to never send my kids in daycare, even if it means sacrificing my career.
wheresdaweeed on
Someone should leak the names and addresses. Popular justice when it affects kids. Im saying this with my feet and head on the ground, it isnt emotional, those who mess with kids should face consequences, if justice takes long then popular justice might deal with it
Safe-Elderberry3222 on
Switzerland is only for the rich.
Another-attempt42 on
Let’s look at some numbers.
There are approximately 100’000 daycare spots in Switzerland. Romandie makes up about 30% of the population, so let’s say 30’000 spots.
Over 3 years, there were 22 cases reported. So out of around 100’000 kids who went through the system, 22 were subject to reports of abuse.
Now, don’t get me wrong: 1 case is too many.
However, let’s also put into perspective things here. It seems as though the safety and security standards need to be tweaked, not entirely over-hauled.
The level of problems is small, albeit it is massively damaging. Changes must be made.
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daycare is already a shithole here and on top of that this?
I’ll avoid making a crass joke here because of the topic. From my underemployed mostly at home parent perspective… I see two reasons People are signing their children up for this risk. The first, for high income earners, they’ve bought into the western capitalist dream; work hard, leverage your inherited wealth advantage, buy/inherit a home. The others have to because the only work they can get is barely enough to live near their work.
The fixes are uncomfortable, and not going away easily (zb. More housing & divesting housing market). They’re problems similar to the Nurse & Doctor situation too.
^(also, they’re things that only get worse with an arbitrary population cap law)
It’s mind-boggling that we allow facilities who put the public at risk, be it dirty restaurants or daycares who employ abusers to stay anonymous.
I have a toddler in daycare in French speaking Switzerland and now I feel like puking!
Why not releasing the names of the daycares involved? Not sure what that would resolve, but still…
I’m from a country that made preschool childcare an obvious community infrastructure a good sixty years ago, along with consistent education for it. What were before grandmas and neighbours – sometimes exposing children to abuse and health risks – were then suddenly new buildings, dedicated and educated employees.
Imagine the shock here. A very costly childcare with often bad food and basically children looking after children. It’s a business model! One of the chains was proudly announcing their personal costs are less than half of overall. Sure, when the majority there were sixteen year olds, and eighteen year olds just passing lap made into group leaders! Our Kita failed several inspections. You think they told us this or made any changes? To be fair, some of the employees were good and really cared.
After Kita we decided to not put them in the after school care. I often have a really bad feeling about some people caring for children and children know exactly who they can trust and who’s an odd ball. Sadly, Switzerland often mixes their priorities and common sense here.
Maybe men should not be allowed to work in daycares.
>”Other reports concern caregivers who regularly locked themselves in toilets with children or touched children inappropriately during nap time. In most cases, the accused employees were suspended during the investigations, and the facilities also reviewed their safety and protection concepts.”
He was caught fondling sleeping children, and he wasn’t even fired??
I am starting to question if the issue is also higher up. For-profit companies saving on background checks and paying so poorly that the only employees you get are the ones that will abuse children. Cameras will have little effect to prevent this unless you also install them in the toilets which seems ridiculous. Of course more staff would help as they would watch each other but that would cost more…
Daycare centers should have extensive video surveillance that is possible for the parents and authorities to log on and view remotely
Absolutely disgusting. Great reminder to never send my kids in daycare, even if it means sacrificing my career.
Someone should leak the names and addresses. Popular justice when it affects kids. Im saying this with my feet and head on the ground, it isnt emotional, those who mess with kids should face consequences, if justice takes long then popular justice might deal with it
Switzerland is only for the rich.
Let’s look at some numbers.
There are approximately 100’000 daycare spots in Switzerland. Romandie makes up about 30% of the population, so let’s say 30’000 spots.
Over 3 years, there were 22 cases reported. So out of around 100’000 kids who went through the system, 22 were subject to reports of abuse.
Now, don’t get me wrong: 1 case is too many.
However, let’s also put into perspective things here. It seems as though the safety and security standards need to be tweaked, not entirely over-hauled.
The level of problems is small, albeit it is massively damaging. Changes must be made.