SOURCES:
Military: Figures are active-duty hostile/combat deaths from DoD Defense Casualty Analysis System. Post-2015 hostile deaths dropped sharply after US forces largely withdrew from Iraq and Afghanistan; includes deaths in Syria, Somalia, Niger, and other operations. Excludes non-hostile, accidents, illness, and suicide.
Schools: Deaths among all victims (students, staff, bystanders) in K–12 school shootings with at least one injury or death, per Education Week and CNN trackers. 2018 and 2022 peaks include Parkland (17 dead) and Uvalde (21 dead). Excludes suicides on school grounds.
Note: These are approximations drawn from multiple trackers; exact figures vary by source and methodology. Intended for relative scale comparison only.
Here’s what the data shows, with important context:
US military hostile (combat) deaths, 2015–2024: approximately 100
The DoD’s hostile action category covers deaths in combat or while traveling to/from a combat mission, including friendly fire, but not terrorist attacks. After the peak years of Iraq and Afghanistan, US military combat deaths declined significantly following the end of the war in Iraq and a slowdown in Afghanistan operations. In recent years (2020–2024), hostile deaths have fallen to the single digits or low teens annually, as US combat presence shifted to smaller advisory and counter-terrorism operations in Syria, Somalia, and elsewhere. USAFactsstatista
School shooting deaths, 2015–2024: approximately 270
2022 was one of the deadliest years, with 48 fatalities. That year saw the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, where 19 students and two educators were killed. Education Week tracked 35 school shootings with injuries or deaths in 2021, 51 in 2022, 38 in 2023, and 39 in 2024. CNNEdWeek
Key caveats:
These numbers answer different questions. Military deaths represent roughly 1.3 million active-duty personnel globally at war; school deaths affect a general civilian population of tens of millions of children.
507 people have been killed and 1,162 injured across all school shootings since 2013, according to Everytown Research data — though definitions vary widely by tracker. Omnilert
The comparison does not include non-hostile military deaths (accidents, illness), which account for the majority of the roughly 19,000 total active-duty deaths from 2006–2021. Accidents alone represented 32% and self-inflicted wounds 25.4% of that total. dtic
School shooting death counts vary by source depending on whether college campuses, parking lots, or after-hours incidents are included.
The bottom line: over the last decade, approximately 2–3 times as many people have died in US school shootings as US military personnel killed by enemy combatants. The gap is largely driven by two mass shootings (Parkland in 2018 and Uvalde in 2022), and by the fact that hostile combat deaths have fallen dramatically since 2010 as major war deployments wound down.
sithelephant on
Idly wondering about the deaths per amendment.
Thinking of the eighteenth/twentyfirst
icearrowx on
The tree of liberty must sometimes be fed.
SlowCrates on
Send this to every Trump supporter you know. Right now.
A_parisian on
Erhm,
Dear americans;
from an old imperialist country and I guess that most europeans will agree with this:
do you understand that whenever your country goes at war with some 3rd world country or even 1st world country, they’re not fighting for your freedom, right?
Have your realized that you’ve been gifted by geography and that nazis or soviets had 0 chance to cross the Atlantic or Pacific, nor Saddam Hussein or Milosevic?
All of them were utter assholes, true. But they never, ever threatened your freedom ever, even if they wanted to. They couldn’t.
The only guys who threaten(ed – because they did already come to their goal) ever were people of your own shooting at natives, at people protesting for a decent wage, against racism or shooting at your kids in schools.
You’re the ones who turned the place into a nazi dreamland.
1. Genocide
2. Settlement
3. Exploit
12destroyer21 on
Try looking at stats for how many are injured and killed by pitbulls and other aggressive dogs annually
Strongit on
Nah man, the system’s not broken, you are. Here, take these pills that numb your brain to the corporate machine that runs the world, constantly expecting increasing profits despite finite resources. Also, you need therapy twice a month to deal with it all. That’ll be $2999. /s
heliosh on
What about military school shootings
Roquet_ on
There’s freedoms and there’s liberties, and guns as accessible as in the US is definitely the latter.
AsianMysteryPoints on
I don’t buy the „dying for our freedoms“ line either, but just using deaths as a result of direct enemy combatant action doesn’t tell the whole story, nor does the convenient and arbitrary timeframe.
Excluding friendly fire and suicides is a puzzling choice given that more Iraq and Afghanistan vets have killed themselves than were ever KIA and the same will probably be true for the next cohort that sees fighting on the ground. The more I look at this graph the less I like it, tbh.
Edit: if you look at the dataset, you can see exactly why OP started their graph at 2015 and was so selective about cause of death. It’s literally the only way to make the numbers work.
Edit: thought about this for a bit. Fewer humans do make us more free.
Traditional-Meat-549 on
Either one and we’re mostly talking about young people with their whole lives ahead. False comparison. One is too much
longhorn4598 on
This is such a weird comparison. And why are drugs excluded from this? A lot of people believe that all illicit drugs should be perfectly legal (part of your definition of „freedom“ right?), even though they kill 100,000+ every year. And that’s just the deaths from users. Drug dealer and gang related casualties would add even more.
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SOURCES:
Military: Figures are active-duty hostile/combat deaths from DoD Defense Casualty Analysis System. Post-2015 hostile deaths dropped sharply after US forces largely withdrew from Iraq and Afghanistan; includes deaths in Syria, Somalia, Niger, and other operations. Excludes non-hostile, accidents, illness, and suicide.
Schools: Deaths among all victims (students, staff, bystanders) in K–12 school shootings with at least one injury or death, per Education Week and CNN trackers. 2018 and 2022 peaks include Parkland (17 dead) and Uvalde (21 dead). Excludes suicides on school grounds.
Note: These are approximations drawn from multiple trackers; exact figures vary by source and methodology. Intended for relative scale comparison only.
Here’s what the data shows, with important context:
US military hostile (combat) deaths, 2015–2024: approximately 100
The DoD’s hostile action category covers deaths in combat or while traveling to/from a combat mission, including friendly fire, but not terrorist attacks. After the peak years of Iraq and Afghanistan, US military combat deaths declined significantly following the end of the war in Iraq and a slowdown in Afghanistan operations. In recent years (2020–2024), hostile deaths have fallen to the single digits or low teens annually, as US combat presence shifted to smaller advisory and counter-terrorism operations in Syria, Somalia, and elsewhere. USAFactsstatista
School shooting deaths, 2015–2024: approximately 270
2022 was one of the deadliest years, with 48 fatalities. That year saw the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, where 19 students and two educators were killed. Education Week tracked 35 school shootings with injuries or deaths in 2021, 51 in 2022, 38 in 2023, and 39 in 2024. CNNEdWeek
Key caveats:
These numbers answer different questions. Military deaths represent roughly 1.3 million active-duty personnel globally at war; school deaths affect a general civilian population of tens of millions of children.
507 people have been killed and 1,162 injured across all school shootings since 2013, according to Everytown Research data — though definitions vary widely by tracker. Omnilert
The comparison does not include non-hostile military deaths (accidents, illness), which account for the majority of the roughly 19,000 total active-duty deaths from 2006–2021. Accidents alone represented 32% and self-inflicted wounds 25.4% of that total. dtic
School shooting death counts vary by source depending on whether college campuses, parking lots, or after-hours incidents are included.
The bottom line: over the last decade, approximately 2–3 times as many people have died in US school shootings as US military personnel killed by enemy combatants. The gap is largely driven by two mass shootings (Parkland in 2018 and Uvalde in 2022), and by the fact that hostile combat deaths have fallen dramatically since 2010 as major war deployments wound down.
Idly wondering about the deaths per amendment.
Thinking of the eighteenth/twentyfirst
The tree of liberty must sometimes be fed.
Send this to every Trump supporter you know. Right now.
Erhm,
Dear americans;
from an old imperialist country and I guess that most europeans will agree with this:
do you understand that whenever your country goes at war with some 3rd world country or even 1st world country, they’re not fighting for your freedom, right?
Have your realized that you’ve been gifted by geography and that nazis or soviets had 0 chance to cross the Atlantic or Pacific, nor Saddam Hussein or Milosevic?
All of them were utter assholes, true. But they never, ever threatened your freedom ever, even if they wanted to. They couldn’t.
The only guys who threaten(ed – because they did already come to their goal) ever were people of your own shooting at natives, at people protesting for a decent wage, against racism or shooting at your kids in schools.
You’re the ones who turned the place into a nazi dreamland.
1. Genocide
2. Settlement
3. Exploit
Try looking at stats for how many are injured and killed by pitbulls and other aggressive dogs annually
Nah man, the system’s not broken, you are. Here, take these pills that numb your brain to the corporate machine that runs the world, constantly expecting increasing profits despite finite resources. Also, you need therapy twice a month to deal with it all. That’ll be $2999. /s
What about military school shootings
There’s freedoms and there’s liberties, and guns as accessible as in the US is definitely the latter.
I don’t buy the „dying for our freedoms“ line either, but just using deaths as a result of direct enemy combatant action doesn’t tell the whole story, nor does the convenient and arbitrary timeframe.
Excluding friendly fire and suicides is a puzzling choice given that more Iraq and Afghanistan vets have killed themselves than were ever KIA and the same will probably be true for the next cohort that sees fighting on the ground. The more I look at this graph the less I like it, tbh.
Edit: if you look at the dataset, you can see exactly why OP started their graph at 2015 and was so selective about cause of death. It’s literally the only way to make the numbers work.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner?hl=en-US
Neither of these make me more free.
Edit: thought about this for a bit. Fewer humans do make us more free.
Either one and we’re mostly talking about young people with their whole lives ahead. False comparison. One is too much
This is such a weird comparison. And why are drugs excluded from this? A lot of people believe that all illicit drugs should be perfectly legal (part of your definition of „freedom“ right?), even though they kill 100,000+ every year. And that’s just the deaths from users. Drug dealer and gang related casualties would add even more.