See, the neat thing about striking is that, no matter what a government says is legal, you can still do it. So long as slavery is illegal, they cannot stop it.
Any tactics to deter striking are empty threats. Intimidation, and nothing more. It just takes strength and bravery, and most importantly unity to overcome that intimidation.
If they made striking illegal today. Right now. And then you say “I’m not going to work until you make it legal again”. They can’t stop you.
You could be fired. Sure. If they were so draconian as to make it a criminal offence, then jail you. Just imagine that as a hypothetical worst-case. But they can only do this if you do it alone. But if the entire workforce for a company, or the country, or just enough of them stays home, they can’t fire or jail them all. That’s why unity is important.
And if they go after leaders or issue fines or X or Y or Z, fine. Now the agreement go to back to work has to also include to free the leaders or waive the fines or roll back X or Y or Z, on top of the workers demands.
Classic_Check_5568 on
Carney thinks collective bargaining rights are not necessary, and that we can trust corporations and their executives to act in the interest of the public good.
MightyHydrar on
Some of it sounds positive, some may be problematic.
However, the „end the right to strike“ thing is a bit alarmist. It’s about possibly some limits in some sectors, not a total cut-off or anything.
Also this is so far a looking-for-input thing, not actually proposed legislation. So let’s maybe all keep our cool until there’s a better idea of what is actually planned
darrylgorn on
We’ll see.
I think that unions are certainly on the up and up here and definitely support them and workers‘ rights.
Having said that, I’m still of the viewpoint that this government is cognizant of the constituents that are keeping them in power.
They know how fragile this power is, especially when they see parallel power relationships in a spot like the UK and how Starmer dropped the bag there.
Most of the fear about this government breaking down unions or privatizating industry is pretty speculative and while the fear is not without some merit, it’s essentially meaningless until the Liberals make a move.
TopazJazzrazz on
Provided that Carney does go all out against labour, he’ll have provided the easiest path possible to a second NDP orange wave. Carney can’t be that stupid right?
All for a second orange wave though. So I guess make my day.
BG-Inf on
„I cannot stress enough how much the alarm bells should be going off right now for Canadian workers,“ .. the big question then being, if government is seeking to remove a right to strike and alter the labour code, what are they planning on doing that would necessitate a strike action from workers?
Silver_Flow_2291 on
“ Jobs minister says Canada Labour Code hasn’t ‚kept up with the times‘ “
That’s not the only body of law that’s outdated. In other areas, the law asks for the impossible.
Haggis_The_Barbarian on
My hot take:
A a unionized employee who does not have e the right to strike… binding arbitration has been a godsend for us. The point of binding arbitration is for the arbiters to impose a contract that would best replicate what would have been achieved had the parties remained at the table. It has been a fair and transparent process (for us) that has resulted in favourable language and an unprecedented COLA calculation that linked our rates to inflation (!).
However, the right to strike ought to be available to all unions (perhaps not those designated as “essential”, like health care) as a dispute resolution mechanism.
blazeofgloreee on
The leverage workers have in withdrawing their labour doesn’t go away just because a strike is declared illegal. Especially in these high impact areas that this government is concerned about. Air Canada workers showed this clearly not long ago.
You just strike regardless
awildstoryteller on
Stuff like this is why I can’t help but laugh at diehard Conservatives who claim the LPC is a leftist party.
They are and always have been a conservative party – PET talked about „radical centrism“ as if anyone with a brain didn’t understand that meant „protect the status quo at all costs“, also known as conservatism.
That’s fine- they have been in power most of Canada’s history and are a big reason why we are a great country in most respects- but it speaks to how absolutely cognitively dissonant some CPC supporters are.
I for one hope they continue to move right and completely cannibalise the CPC so that a genuine left wing party can rise again in Canada.
SomeDumRedditor on
Weakening worker-protecting / serving legislation under the guise of “modernizing” things: an all-time classic from the conservative right.
Mr. Banker is going mask-off now that he has the absolute power of the PMO under majority. As I’d said consistently before the wave of floor crossings, the only thing keeping the Carney Liberals from exercising their worst impulses was a Minority government.
He really is a Janus. It’s the crassest kind of deceit to expand the list of jobs deemed essential in order to further erode worker-power. But what should we expect from a Government that engaged in strike-breaking as a first response to labour trouble.
I can see his twisted logic too: I’m improving labour efficiency by ensuring fewer workers can disrupt the flow of capital! We’ve seen enough of who Carney really is now: the legislation tabled, the sleight-of-hand bullshit (Build Canada Homes anyone), the disregard for median-wage workers, and these “trial balloons” the Government keep floating.
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See, the neat thing about striking is that, no matter what a government says is legal, you can still do it. So long as slavery is illegal, they cannot stop it.
Any tactics to deter striking are empty threats. Intimidation, and nothing more. It just takes strength and bravery, and most importantly unity to overcome that intimidation.
If they made striking illegal today. Right now. And then you say “I’m not going to work until you make it legal again”. They can’t stop you.
You could be fired. Sure. If they were so draconian as to make it a criminal offence, then jail you. Just imagine that as a hypothetical worst-case. But they can only do this if you do it alone. But if the entire workforce for a company, or the country, or just enough of them stays home, they can’t fire or jail them all. That’s why unity is important.
And if they go after leaders or issue fines or X or Y or Z, fine. Now the agreement go to back to work has to also include to free the leaders or waive the fines or roll back X or Y or Z, on top of the workers demands.
Carney thinks collective bargaining rights are not necessary, and that we can trust corporations and their executives to act in the interest of the public good.
Some of it sounds positive, some may be problematic.
However, the „end the right to strike“ thing is a bit alarmist. It’s about possibly some limits in some sectors, not a total cut-off or anything.
Also this is so far a looking-for-input thing, not actually proposed legislation. So let’s maybe all keep our cool until there’s a better idea of what is actually planned
We’ll see.
I think that unions are certainly on the up and up here and definitely support them and workers‘ rights.
Having said that, I’m still of the viewpoint that this government is cognizant of the constituents that are keeping them in power.
They know how fragile this power is, especially when they see parallel power relationships in a spot like the UK and how Starmer dropped the bag there.
Most of the fear about this government breaking down unions or privatizating industry is pretty speculative and while the fear is not without some merit, it’s essentially meaningless until the Liberals make a move.
Provided that Carney does go all out against labour, he’ll have provided the easiest path possible to a second NDP orange wave. Carney can’t be that stupid right?
All for a second orange wave though. So I guess make my day.
„I cannot stress enough how much the alarm bells should be going off right now for Canadian workers,“ .. the big question then being, if government is seeking to remove a right to strike and alter the labour code, what are they planning on doing that would necessitate a strike action from workers?
“ Jobs minister says Canada Labour Code hasn’t ‚kept up with the times‘ “
That’s not the only body of law that’s outdated. In other areas, the law asks for the impossible.
My hot take:
A a unionized employee who does not have e the right to strike… binding arbitration has been a godsend for us. The point of binding arbitration is for the arbiters to impose a contract that would best replicate what would have been achieved had the parties remained at the table. It has been a fair and transparent process (for us) that has resulted in favourable language and an unprecedented COLA calculation that linked our rates to inflation (!).
However, the right to strike ought to be available to all unions (perhaps not those designated as “essential”, like health care) as a dispute resolution mechanism.
The leverage workers have in withdrawing their labour doesn’t go away just because a strike is declared illegal. Especially in these high impact areas that this government is concerned about. Air Canada workers showed this clearly not long ago.
You just strike regardless
Stuff like this is why I can’t help but laugh at diehard Conservatives who claim the LPC is a leftist party.
They are and always have been a conservative party – PET talked about „radical centrism“ as if anyone with a brain didn’t understand that meant „protect the status quo at all costs“, also known as conservatism.
That’s fine- they have been in power most of Canada’s history and are a big reason why we are a great country in most respects- but it speaks to how absolutely cognitively dissonant some CPC supporters are.
I for one hope they continue to move right and completely cannibalise the CPC so that a genuine left wing party can rise again in Canada.
Weakening worker-protecting / serving legislation under the guise of “modernizing” things: an all-time classic from the conservative right.
Mr. Banker is going mask-off now that he has the absolute power of the PMO under majority. As I’d said consistently before the wave of floor crossings, the only thing keeping the Carney Liberals from exercising their worst impulses was a Minority government.
He really is a Janus. It’s the crassest kind of deceit to expand the list of jobs deemed essential in order to further erode worker-power. But what should we expect from a Government that engaged in strike-breaking as a first response to labour trouble.
I can see his twisted logic too: I’m improving labour efficiency by ensuring fewer workers can disrupt the flow of capital! We’ve seen enough of who Carney really is now: the legislation tabled, the sleight-of-hand bullshit (Build Canada Homes anyone), the disregard for median-wage workers, and these “trial balloons” the Government keep floating.