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    1. JourneyThiefer on

      Do people often have some small amounts indigenous ancestry they don’t know about? Or is it pretty much all Han and a small population of indigenous people

    2. CosminMotroc on

      Do a graph like this with London or Paris, see how the comments react…

    3. The modern history of Taiwan is absolutely insane to me. 

      It’s like if the US had a civil war, and the Republicans were losing so they all flee to Hawaii and claim the real United States is there and are planning to retake the mainland in the near future.

      And then after a few decades they decide that they’re Hawaiians now, and not Americans and don’t want to be a part of the US anymore. 

    4. NoteCarefully on

      You won’t hear this from mainstream media but Han Chinese hasn’t been a real ethnicity for hundreds of years

    5. Swagmund_Freud666 on

      Crazy to think that those indigenous people though are the relatives of nearly all of the Pacific islands, Indonesia, the Philippines, and even Madagascar. I hope their cultures don’t die out.

    6. OK-Dravrah7455 on

      this very graph has been posted so many times that AI slop-over is needed to make it seem original.

      Wild.

    7. Clefairy-Outside on

      This graph is ignoring a lot of nuance, as one would expect.

      1) There are multiple eras of migration, and not every wave came with the same type of people doing the same type of thing. The fisherman who came over form the south of China to the south of Taiwan via small boats over 100s over years DID intermix, and are a very different sub-population than the KMTs who came over and colonized the island. Those KMTs represent about half of the current population, and they disenfranchised, murdered, and discriminated against the Hoklo and indigenous communities who came there before. Many of these people would show up on this as “Han Chinese” despite this historical nuance, because:

      2) Genetic studies in Taiwan are highly biased due to 1) nationalism, depending on the testing organization which is often Chinese and 2) the fact that these are primarily based off of self-reports. Plenty of “Han chinese” people would be labeled here has such but have huge portions of indigenous DNA. Hoklo people represent around the other half, and due to their earlier immigration and the political circumstances around it, often have significant amounts of indigenous heritage. Besides that, the flattening of the genetic diversity of China into one “Han Chinese” is part of a modern political movement by the Chinese government to unify the country, but it is not reflective of phenotypical or cultural diversity. There is a reason that there is inter-“Han” discrimination in Taiwan, and that is because despite the ‘genetic signatures’ claiming everyone is the same, the people that inhabit modern Taiwan are still aware of the geographic, linguistic, and cultural differences of their ancestors.

      The KMT descendants continue to dominate the public sphere due to having stolen a bunch of money when they came over and booting people from their land. There is a massive political alignment with this too, where the KMT dominated north votes one way and the prior inhabitants pushed to the south vote another. They are culturally and linguistically different, but you wouldn’t see that from this chart. Consider the Taiwanese movie industry, where barely anyone speaks Taiwanese anymore and when they do try and hire someone to act as a pre-KMT Taiwanese person they usually just get a KMT descendant to put on an accent. It’s because they believe KMT, who primarily come from the north and have differing genetic phenotypes (again flattened by the newest era of Chinese genetic analysis) that favor height and certain eye shapes and whiter skin.

      It does a disservice to everyone to continue to ignore this.

    8. SpaceHawk98W on

      This is just propaganda, if you’re mixed with han chinese, it doesn’t necessarily makes you han chinese if you don’t agree with their culture since it’s not a ethnic group but a culture.

    9. ThisI5N0tAThr0waway on

      Kinda wild to think Austronesian spread from Madagascar to new Zealand.

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