I thought it was weird they took it off the shelves instead of just not restocking it when it ran out.
oskopnir on
> He estimated the annual carrying costs associated with storing $79.1 million worth of delisted U.S. alcohol, including warehousing, insurance, security and tied-up capital, could range from roughly $10 million to $30 million annually.
I struggle to make sense of this number. Liquor stores are open for business, so how much insurance and security are needed specifically to store this alcohol in addition to what is already in place for other products still on sale?
EyCeeDedPpl on
Douggie must have a friend who’s building a “containment” site to hold it all.
Outrageous-Advice384 on
20M storage seems pretty high.
Sell it like Quebec, but through the LCBO website, and charge shipping through CanadaPost.
Aggressive-Map-2204 on
>Michael Armstrong is an associate professor at Brock who studies operations and logistics. He has researched alcohol sales trends as part of his work on how they interact with sales in the cannabis industry.
>He estimated the annual carrying costs associated with storing $79.1 million worth of delisted U.S. alcohol, including warehousing, insurance, security and tied-up capital, could range from roughly $10 million to $30 million annually.
So the cost estimate is coming from a random person who has absolutely nothing to do with the government and has no clue what the costs actually are. Great job CBC. Way to prove how low journalism can go.
Expert_Vermicelli708 on
Nobody believes this
Stanwich79 on
Canada day is coming up. Free drinks.
Olderpostie on
That storage cost figure seems ridiculously high. Let us say that a pallet load of 200 bottles has a value of $5,000. That would be 16,000 pallets, dividing into $80 million. About 250,000 square feet of storage space, single stacked. Let us say you could rent space at $10 per square foot per year. Realistic, as this can be in a low cost area anywhere in the province. So, $2.5 million per year for that. Plus 600 trailer trips at $1,000 each to consolidate the lot.
Sigma_Try on
I live in BC and they pulled everything. I thought it was the dumbest move I’ve seen. Just sell it all and then stop restocking. What a waste of money for optics.
Keystone-12 on
Ya…. this is dumb…
This number was estimated by an Associate Professor at Brock University who performed the following „*analysis*“
**Sometimes, it can take up to 25% of the product value to store it**.
Thats it… thats what this analysis is based on.
Anyone stupid enough to believe the government is *actually* paying $20m a year to store this has some self reflection to do…
mmoore327 on
Most of that cost would be storage space cost which is only a real cost if warehouse is full and you turn away other goods because you have no room for it. Otherwise is just a cost allocation and doesn’t represent “new” spending
tesseractivism on
This isn’t a problem unless they make it one.
Donkilme on
This sounded absurd and I started doing the math and it checks out. Assuming they store fairly inefficiently in warehouse, which I think we can all agree is a safe assumption, you’re looking at needing up to 70,000 sq feet which could run more than $1.3 million in rent alone. Add utilities, security, and corruption and that is easily $2 million.
Chevettez06 on
I don’t understand why ontario didn’t just stop importing more, and sell what was left. The stores have already spent the money on the product before it is put on the shelf, then the customer buys it from the store … Maybe I’m missing something here?
chickenhawk71 on
I would pick it all up and store it in my basement for a cool million. Wtf. 20 million a year,?
dangerous_strainer on
20M a year to keep those elbows up!
UpbeatBreakfast1 on
Just sell it, geez.
SaucyCouch on
Just give it away during Canada Day
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WSJ_pilot on
Put it back on the shelf, but don’t restock anymore? We recoup some of the value, and can be a good first step to restart the USCMA negotiations
Freyja_of_the_North on
Sell it to other markets at a reduced price. If it’s going to sit and cost us then anything we can get for it is a win, plus it wouldn’t hurt if it made the prices drop for people
mikey_likes_it______ on
Doug’s warehouse?
flammablepatchouli on
bullshit
CashComprehensive423 on
Just auction/sell it off already.
rocketmn69_ on
Have a bargain basement sale and get rid of it
TheRealTinfoil666 on
Just do what other Provinces did…
Put it out as a one-time sale with all of the proceeds going to charities like food banks or homeless shelters.
If it was already paid for, you are not rewarding distilleries by selling it, and only punishing yourself if you just pay to store it instead.
imusuallydrunkatnine on
When’s this stupidness going to end
livejib on
Put it on sale June 29th for 4 days and we’ll get through it pretty quick eh.
CFCYYZ on
I hereby offer to store two cases for two years in exchange for 2 bottles on returning the cases / LCBO demand.
djpuggy on
Maybe just burn it then…
arsinoe716 on
Sell the darn thing. They already got paid. L
Beneficial-Focus3702 on
Burn it on Guy Fawks night
blonde_discus on
Offer it to small restaurant/bar owners in good standing at cost or a heavy discount.
Alternatively, do the same for Ontarians to celebrate Canada Day.
Flooding the market with it at firesale prices will also further devalue the U.S. products.
Regardless, any future deals with U.S. companies should be on a strictly consignment basis.
CrazyButRightOn on
Store in at my property for free.
It’s like their complaining when the LCBO profits declined after private grocers started selling.
This didn’t happen in Alberta when they privatized because they FIRED all of the ALCB staff and sold all of the stores. Now, they make more profit just wholesaling as the payroll and rent is a mere fraction of what is once was.
C,mon Doug Ford, wake up and fix these problems.
Strong_Still_1170 on
In New Brunswick we are just slowly selling it off to customers. It’s their choice to buy or not. Most of our stores are sold out.
aurelorba on
Sell it off and give the money to charity.
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Québec is selling/sold off their supply of US alcohol at a discount and is donating any profit beyond cost to food banks.
It’s not hard DoFo, figure it out
Forgive me if this is a *very stupid* question, which I suspect is the case. But wouldn’t you just destory it, or send it back to the Sates?
Yes I know, it’s a dumb suggestion, but other than selling it off…
I’m sorry but that number makes 0 sense at all
Sell it to Alberta!
Here in PEI we sold ours until they ran out and donated the profits to food banks.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-food-banks-us-liquor-profits-9.7173860
I thought it was weird they took it off the shelves instead of just not restocking it when it ran out.
> He estimated the annual carrying costs associated with storing $79.1 million worth of delisted U.S. alcohol, including warehousing, insurance, security and tied-up capital, could range from roughly $10 million to $30 million annually.
I struggle to make sense of this number. Liquor stores are open for business, so how much insurance and security are needed specifically to store this alcohol in addition to what is already in place for other products still on sale?
Douggie must have a friend who’s building a “containment” site to hold it all.
20M storage seems pretty high.
Sell it like Quebec, but through the LCBO website, and charge shipping through CanadaPost.
>Michael Armstrong is an associate professor at Brock who studies operations and logistics. He has researched alcohol sales trends as part of his work on how they interact with sales in the cannabis industry.
>He estimated the annual carrying costs associated with storing $79.1 million worth of delisted U.S. alcohol, including warehousing, insurance, security and tied-up capital, could range from roughly $10 million to $30 million annually.
So the cost estimate is coming from a random person who has absolutely nothing to do with the government and has no clue what the costs actually are. Great job CBC. Way to prove how low journalism can go.
Nobody believes this
Canada day is coming up. Free drinks.
That storage cost figure seems ridiculously high. Let us say that a pallet load of 200 bottles has a value of $5,000. That would be 16,000 pallets, dividing into $80 million. About 250,000 square feet of storage space, single stacked. Let us say you could rent space at $10 per square foot per year. Realistic, as this can be in a low cost area anywhere in the province. So, $2.5 million per year for that. Plus 600 trailer trips at $1,000 each to consolidate the lot.
I live in BC and they pulled everything. I thought it was the dumbest move I’ve seen. Just sell it all and then stop restocking. What a waste of money for optics.
Ya…. this is dumb…
This number was estimated by an Associate Professor at Brock University who performed the following „*analysis*“
**Sometimes, it can take up to 25% of the product value to store it**.
Thats it… thats what this analysis is based on.
Anyone stupid enough to believe the government is *actually* paying $20m a year to store this has some self reflection to do…
Most of that cost would be storage space cost which is only a real cost if warehouse is full and you turn away other goods because you have no room for it. Otherwise is just a cost allocation and doesn’t represent “new” spending
This isn’t a problem unless they make it one.
This sounded absurd and I started doing the math and it checks out. Assuming they store fairly inefficiently in warehouse, which I think we can all agree is a safe assumption, you’re looking at needing up to 70,000 sq feet which could run more than $1.3 million in rent alone. Add utilities, security, and corruption and that is easily $2 million.
I don’t understand why ontario didn’t just stop importing more, and sell what was left. The stores have already spent the money on the product before it is put on the shelf, then the customer buys it from the store … Maybe I’m missing something here?
I would pick it all up and store it in my basement for a cool million. Wtf. 20 million a year,?
20M a year to keep those elbows up!
Just sell it, geez.
Just give it away during Canada Day
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Put it back on the shelf, but don’t restock anymore? We recoup some of the value, and can be a good first step to restart the USCMA negotiations
Sell it to other markets at a reduced price. If it’s going to sit and cost us then anything we can get for it is a win, plus it wouldn’t hurt if it made the prices drop for people
Doug’s warehouse?
bullshit
Just auction/sell it off already.
Have a bargain basement sale and get rid of it
Just do what other Provinces did…
Put it out as a one-time sale with all of the proceeds going to charities like food banks or homeless shelters.
If it was already paid for, you are not rewarding distilleries by selling it, and only punishing yourself if you just pay to store it instead.
When’s this stupidness going to end
Put it on sale June 29th for 4 days and we’ll get through it pretty quick eh.
I hereby offer to store two cases for two years in exchange for 2 bottles on returning the cases / LCBO demand.
Maybe just burn it then…
Sell the darn thing. They already got paid. L
Burn it on Guy Fawks night
Offer it to small restaurant/bar owners in good standing at cost or a heavy discount.
Alternatively, do the same for Ontarians to celebrate Canada Day.
Flooding the market with it at firesale prices will also further devalue the U.S. products.
Regardless, any future deals with U.S. companies should be on a strictly consignment basis.
Store in at my property for free.
It’s like their complaining when the LCBO profits declined after private grocers started selling.
This didn’t happen in Alberta when they privatized because they FIRED all of the ALCB staff and sold all of the stores. Now, they make more profit just wholesaling as the payroll and rent is a mere fraction of what is once was.
C,mon Doug Ford, wake up and fix these problems.
In New Brunswick we are just slowly selling it off to customers. It’s their choice to buy or not. Most of our stores are sold out.
Sell it off and give the money to charity.